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Beach Hunter ID tested - :thumbdown:

DavHut

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I pulled a stupid move yesterday and left my scoop at home. Hal and I drove 45 minutes to the lake before the gaff was discovered. Guess I can now join the Big Boo-Boo club. Ah, well - moments of brilliance... :crazy:

Anyway, good old Hal, my detecting partner, brought yet another detector model along yesterday. He is the King of Detector Trading and has gone through more units than I have fingers to count with in search of the perfect machine for him - all withint the last 3 months. This time he traded his Tiger Shark for a Whites Beach Hunter ID. I use a Tiger Shark as my personal choice in a freshwater detector and was pleased the day he got one of his own. Naturally, I wondered at his sanity when I heard he had gotten rid of it. All I will say is that it wasn't a great trade. Okay, thats not all I can say...

I know there are plenty of you who like the BHID, so I'll go easy in deference to you, my friends. And it IS a White's, after all, so it can't be all bad. But at the end of the day, I found it to be less than worthy. Here are the ways it went astray.

1. It is heavy and ill balanced.
Heavy duty isn't an instant condemnation. Rugged is not a bad thing around the water. But, the way the thing hangs along with the weight it carries....well, it doesn't compare to the Tiger Shark on this score. Sorry.

2. The control box is too bouyant.
Once it submerges, it begins fighting you for control, trying to float up. Too much air is trapped inside. This might not matter if you never went in past your knees. If you do, however, it becomes something of a bother.

3. The control box is fixed under the cuff.
The only option is hip/chest mounting. Truly, this is not a biggie as I like chest mounting for a water detector, while I dislike hip mounting. But, I thought that while I was nit-picking, I'd toss this in.

4. The THRESHOLD kept drifting
It was always increasing in amplitude. Every few minutes it needed adjusting back down. I went through the GB exercise numerous times, at a lake beach I know has stable bottom conditions. What's up with that?

5. The pin-point was, well, not.
It was drifty and hard to nail precisely. The target signal was always moving around, hard to say for sure if it was here... or there. Keep in mind I use a Tiger Shark in fresh water, so Im spoiled.

6. The battery cover is suspect.
I didnt monkey with it, so let me say that upfront. But at first glance, it is a goofy affair consisting of a lid held in place by a clamped strap - held captive between two flimsy plastic pins. Others have had problems with it and I confess it didn't instill confidence in me. Again, I use a Tiger Shark, which suffers from no such worries.

7. THE BOUYANT COIL ISSUE
Yep, its true. If you've heard about it, rest assured - the coil floats when under water. It, too, is always fighting you, like the control box. It reminded me of some lumbering, slow-motion whale, trying to breach back to the surface. Use this thing for long and you can cash-out your gym membership.

To offset this annoying tendency to float, you have to do silly things like tie a sand-filled sock to the lower rod, or come up with some sort of weight to offset the bouyancy. Hal had his wrapped his coil rod with the required sand filled sock AND a generous wrapping of duct tape in an effort to keep things secure. In all honesty, it looked ridiculous.

To make matters worse, at one point I lifted the coil from the water when a nearby kid spotted the "sock and duct tape" rig - and, oh dear Mercy, began to howl with laughter. He was pointing at me and shouting something at his mom; all the while roaring in fun at my expense. She hollered back at him, something to the effect that he should behave himself and leave that guy alone. Luckily, I had headphones on and couldn't hear all that the little urchin had said.
I mean, if I was sensitive to what people thought about me, I wouldnt be water hunting in the first place, but that was just too much.


Now in all fairness, there were some things I liked about the BHID - A LOT

1. It has an audible THRESHOLD
I'm old school - thresholds should be audible, whining along in the background. The BHID has one in the DISC mode. Goodie!

2. It has Manual GB
This should be an option on nearly all detectors, especially in and around the water where conditions can vary so much.

3. It has iron null
The DISC has an iron null feature. Again, Im old school - iron should null out, or at least you should have the option of selectng this feature. With the BHID, unless it was a corroding engine block, most smallish iron nulled the threshold. I like it.

4. Tone AND visual ID

Hooray! This is nice, nice, nice in the water. It is a boon when hunting to have these features in the water - since you can't see squat for the most part. And surprise...the lights are bright enough to see clearly in bright sunlight.

5. The DISC set up
There is NONE! In the water, there isn't a great need to fiddle with a DISC knob all the time... you are interested in knowing about everything beneath yor coil. On the BHID, switching to DISC enters a pre-programmed arrangement of 'conductivity blocking', based on:

Low range - iron... red light and low tone/nulling
Midrange - foil, nickles, tabs, gold... yellow light and midtone
High range - coins and silver... Green light and high tone.

This tone/lights/blocking arrangement is nice and leaves more time for digging, since you arent always twirling the DISC knob in feeble attempts to ID stuff. Thanks White's; I like that, too.


With all the good things going for it, I am baffled by Whites seeming disinterest in improving this model. If they only went to a printed, epoxy coil like everyone else, this sucker would go a long way down the right path.
Then include the chest mount rig when you buy one and we're getting somewhere, boys.

Admittedly, I haven't used it for an entire season, done extensive air testing nor any of the other things BHID afficionado's will say I should do. But, I've been detecting for 20 years and have tried beaucoup detectors. And thanks to Hal and his weekly trades, I get to try a lot more these days, too. What a great partner!
Since I am hardly a novice and have used, owned and currently employ some of the best gear around, I put some faith in my first impressions of equipment.

Hey, White's, I dont hate it - you're really on to something with the BHID. But, you're not there YET. Are you listening?
 
White's might not be listening on this Forum, but if you send your post to the factory they would be sure to listen.
 
I won the 12" at my club meeting & gave it to my friend, he called whites to have it installed on his BHID ,they said they won't do it, they gave him a name & number in Va.of the company that does there service. He's sending it to them as we speak.
 
I'm about to send mine in as I've been told this mod gives super stability and increased depth to 25 to 30%! I mean the BHID already has great performance (IMHO) but with that upgrade just might be the DEEPEST VLF water machine out there! The other thing is the coil has neutral buoyancy in the water. Thanks and HH

Garrett Infinium
Surf PI Pro
White
 
I believe it's about $ 60.00 to have it done, I asked my friend when he called Whites to see if they had water proof conectors , they said no, that would have been good to switch coils. I was going to do it but I have to many detectors, he's alot younger, let him have the fun. And what there saying its going to be a good one. Good luck with your's, let us know how it goes.
 
Do you have the address for the factory? Also, did you just send it with a note and payment explaining what you needed done? I am very interested in using my BHID in the water and the weighted coil would be fantastic plus the extra depth. Thanks for your help.
 
Yes they'll listen, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for White's to improve the Beach Hunter ID. I wrote them an email with the same complaints DavHut had after using my BHID the first time, and the response I got didn't give me much hope.

As for the floating coil issue, they said that they were "looking into" both a heavy, user-changeable, glass filled epoxy coil for the water and a light epoxy coil for land. The issue they cited as having to overcome was waterproof connections. Whites suggested I contact a gunsmith and have him pour a lead weight, then poke it down the lower stem for added weight. I don't understand what the problem is, Garrett seems to have "broken the code" on this with their Infinium which already has user-changeable coils and is waterproof far deeper than the BHID. And even my Garrett Ace 250, a $200 machine, has an epoxy coil that doesn't bob to the surface when used in knee-deep water, yet it's a pleasure to use on land. I don't hear anyone complaining about the Minelab coils, either. The technology is there already for one coil that does both jobs, Whites just doesn't use it and apparently doesn't want to.
Instead of getting rid of the detector, and in lieu of costly, time-consuming fixes like sending the machine off to a service center for a coil change I might still not be happy with, I simply bought a set of wrist weights at Walmart. They're the type with removeable weight packets, and I took all of the weight packets out (they're filled with metal dust which sends the macine off to another planet). I purchased granite weights on eBay ("herbarium weights") and 10 of these can be mixed and matched in the packet pockets to get the weight I need on the coil. (I also have marble weights made from a marble door threshold sold at Lowe's for $5, cut to 4.5" lengths.) The whole package is easily wrapped around the lower stem near the coil via the supplied velcro strap. I don't notice any more drag sweeping the coil than I did using a sand-filled sock, but I don't know how it would hold up in heavy surf. It would surely be better than being beat up by surf AND having to wrestle the coil to the bottom.

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As for a chest mount, Whites believes that user-created harnesses and straps are the best solution to what they don't see as a problem. I use a carry strap from a small duffel bag around my neck and clip it to the top D-rings on the control box pouch, and another strap goes around my chest and clips to the bottom D-rings. By the way, one of the straps on the control box pouch covers the red indicator light on the control box, I use a zip tie from that strap to one of the belt loops on the pouch to "pull it out of the way".

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I pointed out to Whites that tying a sock onto an otherwise nice-looking and great-performing machine didn't inspire a lot of confidence in the user, not to mention the fact that it doesn't do much as a selling point to beach-going onlookers. I suggested that maybe a heavy ceramic weight on an extremely easily engineered clip, along with a chest harness both sold as accessories, would be steps in the right direction. My bet is that my email never made it to the marketing department, just to the engineer who came up with a bunch of excuses as to why things were more complicated than I could comprehend. I'll concede that I'm not an engineer, but maybe Whites needs to come up with some engineers that think outside the yellow box.
For now I'm keeping the BHID, but I'm sure a Minelab Excalibur is on the horizon. And I can't imagine the trouble I'd have selling the BHID if someone actually tested it in the water first........
 
Hey Parkit, It sounds like you've got the BHID pretty close to what you thought it should be! The weight setup is very close to what I made for mine. I just used canvas and stitched weight pockets with velcro straps to it. It works perfect for me and stays on with no issues in the water (take it off and tear up the beach sand swinging all day if you want). I also heard you can fill the lower rod with sand and use wax to seal it. The other mod I did for my machine was to install my favorite Killer B headphones with volume controls that I made sort of water resistant. I'm in the process of getting a camera for posting as the last one broke. I wouldn't do full diving with these phones but I go in the water and surf with no problems (I use my PI for deeper water and diving type stuff). I really would consider the new super 12" coil as an option because I've heard it adds 20 to 30% more depth to the machine (like a BHID on speed). White's did approve to have this coil option due to the large amount of people requesting it (I guess they're starting to listen). The BHID has really good depth already, but would possibly be one of the deepest VLFs with this coil setup! If you found one nice ring due to the new coil, it would already be paid for!!! The other water machine you mentioned also has known quality issues with extra things that need to be purchased to make it better too. I do agree with you that it would be great if these things came with the machine, but the users have figured out the fixes on their own (pretty smart bunch out there)!!! So, I hope you have great success with your new BHID and post lots of fun pics from it!
 
You can try the top instead of the middle people. Ken White email (not verified): kwhite @ whiteselectronics.com
or Mary White (not verified) mwhite @ whiteselectronics.com Like I said these are not verified however they are in line with all other company email addresses I seen. Email addresses have been separated for reason of spam push them back together.

Quote:
Present
White's Electronics is a world leader in the design and manufacture of metal detectors. The company is currently led by Ken and Mary White, using the same philosophy that was so successful for Ken's father 50 years ago. Give the customers quality and value, treat your employees like you would like to be treated and the future will be bright.
 
DavHut said:
I pulled a stupid move yesterday and left my scoop at home. Hal and I drove 45 minutes to the lake before the gaff was discovered. Guess I can now join the Big Boo-Boo club. Ah, well - moments of brilliance... :crazy:

Anyway, good old Hal, my detecting partner, brought yet another detector model along yesterday. He is the King of Detector Trading and has gone through more units than I have fingers to count with in search of the perfect machine for him - all withint the last 3 months. This time he traded his Tiger Shark for a Whites Beach Hunter ID. I use a Tiger Shark as my personal choice in a freshwater detector and was pleased the day he got one of his own. Naturally, I wondered at his sanity when I heard he had gotten rid of it. All I will say is that it wasn't a great trade. Okay, thats not all I can say...

I know there are plenty of you who like the BHID, so I'll go easy in deference to you, my friends. And it IS a White's, after all, so it can't be all bad. But at the end of the day, I found it to be less than worthy. Here are the ways it went astray.

1. It is heavy and ill balanced.
Heavy duty isn't an instant condemnation. Rugged is not a bad thing around the water. But, the way the thing hangs along with the weight it carries....well, it doesn't compare to the Tiger Shark on this score. Sorry.

2. The control box is too bouyant.
Once it submerges, it begins fighting you for control, trying to float up. Too much air is trapped inside. This might not matter if you never went in past your knees. If you do, however, it becomes something of a bother.

3. The control box is fixed under the cuff.
The only option is hip/chest mounting. Truly, this is not a biggie as I like chest mounting for a water detector, while I dislike hip mounting. But, I thought that while I was nit-picking, I'd toss this in.

4. The THRESHOLD kept drifting
It was always increasing in amplitude. Every few minutes it needed adjusting back down. I went through the GB exercise numerous times, at a lake beach I know has stable bottom conditions. What's up with that?

5. The pin-point was, well, not.
It was drifty and hard to nail precisely. The target signal was always moving around, hard to say for sure if it was here... or there. Keep in mind I use a Tiger Shark in fresh water, so Im spoiled.

6. The battery cover is suspect.
I didnt monkey with it, so let me say that upfront. But at first glance, it is a goofy affair consisting of a lid held in place by a clamped strap - held captive between two flimsy plastic pins. Others have had problems with it and I confess it didn't instill confidence in me. Again, I use a Tiger Shark, which suffers from no such worries.

7. THE BOUYANT COIL ISSUE
Yep, its true. If you've heard about it, rest assured - the coil floats when under water. It, too, is always fighting you, like the control box. It reminded me of some lumbering, slow-motion whale, trying to breach back to the surface. Use this thing for long and you can cash-out your gym membership.

To offset this annoying tendency to float, you have to do silly things like tie a sand-filled sock to the lower rod, or come up with some sort of weight to offset the bouyancy. Hal had his wrapped his coil rod with the required sand filled sock AND a generous wrapping of duct tape in an effort to keep things secure. In all honesty, it looked ridiculous.

To make matters worse, at one point I lifted the coil from the water when a nearby kid spotted the "sock and duct tape" rig - and, oh dear Mercy, began to howl with laughter. He was pointing at me and shouting something at his mom; all the while roaring in fun at my expense. She hollered back at him, something to the effect that he should behave himself and leave that guy alone. Luckily, I had headphones on and couldn't hear all that the little urchin had said.
I mean, if I was sensitive to what people thought about me, I wouldnt be water hunting in the first place, but that was just too much.


Now in all fairness, there were some things I liked about the BHID - A LOT

1. It has an audible THRESHOLD
I'm old school - thresholds should be audible, whining along in the background. The BHID has one in the DISC mode. Goodie!

2. It has Manual GB
This should be an option on nearly all detectors, especially in and around the water where conditions can vary so much.

3. It has iron null
The DISC has an iron null feature. Again, Im old school - iron should null out, or at least you should have the option of selectng this feature. With the BHID, unless it was a corroding engine block, most smallish iron nulled the threshold. I like it.

4. Tone AND visual ID

Hooray! This is nice, nice, nice in the water. It is a boon when hunting to have these features in the water - since you can't see squat for the most part. And surprise...the lights are bright enough to see clearly in bright sunlight.

5. The DISC set up
There is NONE! In the water, there isn't a great need to fiddle with a DISC knob all the time... you are interested in knowing about everything beneath yor coil. On the BHID, switching to DISC enters a pre-programmed arrangement of 'conductivity blocking', based on:

Low range - iron... red light and low tone/nulling
Midrange - foil, nickles, tabs, gold... yellow light and midtone
High range - coins and silver... Green light and high tone.

This tone/lights/blocking arrangement is nice and leaves more time for digging, since you arent always twirling the DISC knob in feeble attempts to ID stuff. Thanks White's; I like that, too.


With all the good things going for it, I am baffled by Whites seeming disinterest in improving this model. If they only went to a printed, epoxy coil like everyone else, this sucker would go a long way down the right path.
Then include the chest mount rig when you buy one and we're getting somewhere, boys.

Admittedly, I haven't used it for an entire season, done extensive air testing nor any of the other things BHID afficionado's will say I should do. But, I've been detecting for 20 years and have tried beaucoup detectors. And thanks to Hal and his weekly trades, I get to try a lot more these days, too. What a great partner!
Since I am hardly a novice and have used, owned and currently employ some of the best gear around, I put some faith in my first impressions of equipment.

Hey, White's, I dont hate it - you're really on to something with the BHID. But, you're not there YET. Are you listening?




Unbelievably professional, honest and serious post that sticks out amid hundreds of almost identical "happy stories" of dozens of gold rings and silver coins found at almost each dig!!

Needs to be printed out and kept on the desk.

Honest, I was of a better opinion of Whites. And was considering BHID for purchase very seriously. Not any longer for sure.
 
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