Well to start off, I'd have to say I've been a bit of a hypocrite........................calling for a new Tesoro Target ID unit, but purchasing a Silver U MAX. Started detecting in 1974, and i was there thru the heyday years. Most recently I've owned a Whites M6, and a Garrett AT Pro. But noticed that while my penny/clad collection was growing....................where was the gold rings/jewelry?? Used to find quite a bit of that stuff with my Fisher 1266X. Hold on........that didn't have target id!!!! I kept quite a good record of my finds in log books.So I went back through them...................seems my gold finds fell off when I used a Trget ID detector. So I'd try a cheap experiment. Silver Umax not costly, quite cheap...................buy one try it for a while and see what happens. Well as beginners luck would have it I found two gold rings in the first month!!! But I was digging much more in they way of junk. After 3 months ......one gold earing,3 gold rings and a gold charm. Most of the rings read solid "pull tab" on my target id detectors!!!!!!!!! Too many people used to fancy screens on their cellphones.............would also probably fall into the Target ID trap. It's a great selling feature.............but you miss an awful lot of good oportunities. My experiment continues.........I'll see how things work out in in the next three months. I've set a six month schedule for my experiment...parks soccer/ball fields beaches........a variety of locales will be visited. So far....................I don't miss my target ID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Back to my roots...........huge increase in finds!!!
- Thread starter Ivan
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deliveryboy
New member
I agree and have pretty much given up on visual ID machines. I feel they have the tendency to make the user over analyze targets there fore missing many good ones. I also would rather quickly retrieve solid sounding targets and move on than stand around trying to determine if i should dig or not, to me efficiency overrides my desire to visually ID targets and depend on artificial intelligence each and every time.
I have found 13 gold rings now in the past 3 months alone.
I just picked up another BH target ID for the fun of it since I bartered it down to only $20, it is pretty good at Id'ing targets but I still prefer my Tesoros
I have found 13 gold rings now in the past 3 months alone.
I just picked up another BH target ID for the fun of it since I bartered it down to only $20, it is pretty good at Id'ing targets but I still prefer my Tesoros
Both the machines I have are target ID units, (not tesoro) but YOU guys are right about the operators tendencys to use their eyes when they should be using their ears..and then taking too long to determine what their eyes are telling them when they should have had that target already in the pouch and on to the next....the quicker somebody can operate not looking at the screen the better in the long run I would agree with....Luckily for me I figured this out, probably due to hanging around you Tesoro guys, thanks!....Real good work on the gold there Ivan and DB! 
Mud
Mud
I can relate to this. I started out with a Garrett beep and dig back before they had TID. I found a lot of rings. Then I fell into the trap of thinking I need a screen and the rings stopped coming. Lots of pennies though. I've had the most fun and best results with beep and dig Tesoros, so that is all I will do now. Personally I would much rather see them come out with a cross between the golden and the Tejon (basically a Tejon with tones and adjustable notch) rather than a TID machine.
Dan
Dan
TAB.HUNTER
New member
Perhaps a dumb question but aren't tones based upon the same signal as TID and therefore subject to the same misinformation?dan b said:
MarkCZ
Well-known member
Not really and the reason is "Tones" takes in a much wider range within each tone, whereas with a visual target ID items are just keepers by a much more narrow of a margin. In one of the post above it was stated that so many gold rings fall in the tab zone! Now if they tried to make a 25 tone machine then you would be back to the same problem, a tone for every target. But with a three tone or four tone the range of each one is pretty wide. This can be helpful if say your just wanting to pick coins at a fair ground, skip the low mid tone and only retrieve the high tone targets, on the other hand if your in a hot spot for gold, then you can pick every good sounding target above the Iron low tone.TAB.HUNTER said:
With visual ID the operator wants to give every target an tight range of a number,
a gold ring =25 (square tabs are 22 and round tabs are 26-27) (these are not real numbers but just an example)
With tones all the above plus nickels, large foil and can slaw would fall into the same tone range.
Mark
Its all so true. I went to a Golden Umax (no VDI there) and just started digging high tones because I knew it was a coin. I got lazy. We jewlery finds plummeted to nothing. Lesson learned. Still want a Golden when they start making them again for those time I just want to coinshoot.
But if you want the jewelry, you have to knock out nails (carefully) and then dig everything else.
But if you want the jewelry, you have to knock out nails (carefully) and then dig everything else.
I've read many posts complaining about those "high end" machines with all kinds of tones. I agree that too many brings you right back to the same issue. 3 or 4 is plenty. Wouldn't it be great if you could assign a tone yourself? That's kind of how the adjustable notch works on the golden for the middle tones, correct?
Dan
Dan
While I am intrigued with the Golden Umax.... as I understand it .... none available. At least not now. I suppose one could find a used one for sale.....
Anyway my point today is that this thread is rather uplifting to me.
This paints a picture in my mind of many, many target ID people combing the beaches, and parks and pathways leaving behind an entire section of the best goodies still in the ground hiding behind some numerical target classification like little leprechauns laughing with glee as the technophiles walk right over their stash.
To me a gold ring or jewelry is the pot at the end of the rainbow so to speak. I don't know what percentage of detectorists today operate with screens and TID units but it must be rather high. For me... beep and dig is my mantra. Aluminum is the frequency of choice it seems for the gold score.
Good hunting everyone!
PS.... lets keep this our little secret... ok?
Anyway my point today is that this thread is rather uplifting to me.
This paints a picture in my mind of many, many target ID people combing the beaches, and parks and pathways leaving behind an entire section of the best goodies still in the ground hiding behind some numerical target classification like little leprechauns laughing with glee as the technophiles walk right over their stash.
To me a gold ring or jewelry is the pot at the end of the rainbow so to speak. I don't know what percentage of detectorists today operate with screens and TID units but it must be rather high. For me... beep and dig is my mantra. Aluminum is the frequency of choice it seems for the gold score.
Good hunting everyone!
PS.... lets keep this our little secret... ok?
Rainyday101
New member
Before I took a break from metal detecting I had a Garrett GTAX with a display. I found one ring in three years and I hunted a lot. Then last fall I saw a great buy it now deal on that auction place and paid $165 for a like new silver umax. Not exactly what I wanted but the price was too good and reviews on it were also good. I have had great success with the silver and have mastered it's language. Sometimes I think about getting an expensive display detector, but then I realize the success I am having with this simple beep and dig. My depth is good to about 7-8 inches in my mild soil and sometimes I think I need more depth. When the time comes I will probably upgrade to a Vaq. or Tejon, maybe even a Cibola if I can get a steal on one. The thing is, if I really want depth, I could use my Tiger Shark on land, I would just have to be prepared to dig everything. In my 10 month old test garden I have pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters each at 2,4,6,8,10, 12 inches deep. As the test garden is fresh and the gound matrix has been disturbed most detectors do not do well in it, but in all metal mode the Tiger Shark will hit all coins up to 10" loud and clear and the 12" ones are there but a little iffy. My Tiger has the 10" coil on it.
WV62
Well-known member
CladDog said:
I think CladDog hit the nail on the head with a key word (LAZY) when you look down at the ID meter and says pull tap, so in your mind you do a little discrimination and just walk on looking for the almost sure thing a coin.
I am 100% beep and dig now and don't see the need to go back.
Ron in WV
I dug my best piece of gold this year and it TID'd as a solid pull-tab on my Deleon. My hunts tend to start out very aggressive and I am digging everything, but after 3 hours or so, I tend to get selective and I am usually done after 4 to 5 hours. I burn a lot of energy digging every flipping target and get gassed. There is nothing wrong with skipping targets once you're spent to conserve what energy you've got left - if you are skipping targets immediately, you're missing out on the good stuff.
Anyhow, I am sure you all know that having a solid, economical method in terms of both time and energy used for recovering targets is as important as your gear. It is an area that you can improve and perfect and I always get a kick out of cutting a plug that has a coin on the bottom of it or when I probe and coin pop a dime from 3" down without even digging. I am bringing this up because anyone that is digging it all had better have grade A recovery techniques - and I suspect that is exactly what most of you have, superior recovery methods.
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Anyhow, I am sure you all know that having a solid, economical method in terms of both time and energy used for recovering targets is as important as your gear. It is an area that you can improve and perfect and I always get a kick out of cutting a plug that has a coin on the bottom of it or when I probe and coin pop a dime from 3" down without even digging. I am bringing this up because anyone that is digging it all had better have grade A recovery techniques - and I suspect that is exactly what most of you have, superior recovery methods.
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Scanman
Member
My strategy is to be productive as possible. I have my tools organized on my belt, and have a system down now. When I get a good signal, I can usually recover the item pretty darn quick. I am fortunate that my soil conditions are primarily in easy digging sand. If I hunted in hard digging soil conditions I would probably be looking at experimenting with a TID unit.
kaolinwasher
Well-known member
Iven, thats classified info , only for tesoro users, if word gets out thear may be a run on the umax and a general depleating of gold from our search areas, -- but hay all kidding aside the tesoro machine really do hit hard on gold , & aluminum but hey got to do some work , or not find gold rings.