Back out with the 3D

[Ray(Ca)]

Me and a couple of buddies hit a old well worked park yesterday. I was using the 3D and had the sens at 5 disc at iron. I managed to pull a 1902 I.H. from a root system an a tree that my buddy didn't even get a signal from on his detector and he had a larger coil. I finished the day at that park with 2 wheats a I.H., war 5c and a old button. Not bad for a very hard hit park (my 2 hunt buddies only managed one wheat between both of them and it was a modern coin spill). The next park we went to I found a token,rosie and a wheat. The 3D has yet to let me down on finding old coins and does a pretty good job finding nickels as I found 12 of them yesterday.

Ray(Ca)

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[prolab69]

Yeah, Ive had mine for less than a week now, still learning its sounds. I did get 3 mercs 1 rosie and an indian head, but still thinking I should have gotten more. Been using the settings in different positions to see what produces more, just not sure if cranking the sens. all the way up would give more depth or just false signals. I think the next good deep coin hit I get I need to play with the setting before digging it up. some of the mercs ive found were about 7" with a good strong hit, but ive also heard some faint hightone wispers that I didnt dig, so im kinda wondering what they were. I can tell the difference in a false hightone and a coin hightone now, but i guess time and experience is the best way to only dig coins.
thanks Ray,
Pro-

 

[christopher-ohio]

Sensitivity at 4.5, nothing notched including iron since you want to hear it all, including the iron falses to high, and in the enhanced mode....just dig all the high tones...happy hunting!

Chris

 

[jmaryt]

does this strategy apply to "old" parks that have modern trash in them?..

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[christopher-ohio]

With all of the 3D's I've had, if it was a coin in the above posted settings then it was a high tone-junk usually came in at a midtone and read pulltab or foil. Honestly, I never had a problem with modern trash since if it's trash it's usually not a high tone. That's one of the things I liked the most about the 3D compared to any other detector out there including my CZ-70 and Explorers-I could pick off coins so easy and leave the junk(and go deep too )...sure you may dig some junk but surely nothing excessive...even compared to my CZ-70s and Explorers for sure. There is no other detector out there that pulls almost all coins, old and new, into the high tone...those old indians that read relic on my CZ-70 along with partially masked coins-iron near a silver dime for example that would read zinc on my CZ-70 would be high coin on the 3D...the 3D also seemed a little better in the iron to me compared to a CZ-70 but it was surely more sensitive to EMI...also after 8 inches or so the pinpoint really faded compared to the CZ-70...I think you just have to try one, particularly one that is correctly/well-tuned, to truly appreciate it. I've gone over the same areas with a 3D after my CZ-70 and was always surprised...sometimes almost giddy, laughing to myself cause it was so easy and I had a pocket full of nice old coins...HH

 

[Tinfoil]

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[prolab69]

One thing ive noticed, if you get a streight high tone in enhanced and switch it to salt and its still a high tone but in the zinc zone, if its 4" or less? then its usually just a memorial penny. So if the soil isnt too rocky? ill leave that one and move on. The good stuff is usually deeper, who wants to dig pennies all day. anything 6 " or deeper is what I mostly dig. Ive dug my share of nails the first few days out, those were the hits that would bounce from coin to iron on all directions trying to count the ratio of high tones to low tones. A friend of mine wants me to use it in a church he owns, he says it was built after the original church was torn down, he says the 2nd foundation was built around the first one and still has the stone formations in the basement. I just hope ill be able to ground balance in a place like this, I may have to bring another machine with automatic GB. and use the 3D on the property outside.

 

[thejetman]

ground balancing can be a pain. I run my send really low normally, should I turn it up a bit to go any deeper? It needs new batteries all the time it seems. Sometimes it makes funky sounds when I try and gb it though. I done even use the salt mode, when the batteries run low you lose allot of depth. We pulled two wheats out of a Methodist " camp " this weekend. My wife found a emerald earring, I found another sacagawea, but nothing too old yet. Being in Georgia there is a lot of history down here. Note: the cd needs a slower sweep speed to get the most out of it. I am working on a youtube bid right now.

 

[jmaryt]

yes i am aware of that!..thanks!..i guess what i am trying to find out is every high tone HAS to be dug in a park loaded with trash?..is this the ONLY strategy possible with the cz-3d under THOSE circumstances?..in other words,can a operator ASSUME that by toggling to "salt" IN THAT environment,that the high tone he receives WILL most likely BE a coin?..isn't it fair to assume also, that if an operator does NOT toggle to salt,and keeps the switch in ENHANCED mode,then most likely the target will be "trash" BECAUSE of the existing trashy envoronment?

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[jmaryt]

thanks for the most valuable "in the field" insight!..it IS appreciated!..it would appear that i read some conflicting reports early on about the cz-3d!..as everybody is aware,dankowski specifically states the detector SHOULD be used in a pre 1950's site,because this era is before the modern pull-tab was invented..do i undertsand you correctly in that you claim that pull tabs and other aluminum "junk" is sounding off properly as "mid tone" with the cz-3d toggled to ADVANCED mode IN a "trashy" environment?..if what you state IS true,then apparently i got the wrong info early on about this detector,in that i ASSUMED that you could NOT use it under those conditions,because you would dig "high tone" junk all the time,and NEGATE the true function of the detector!..in other words,you would be "FORCED" to toggle to "salt" in order to realize a "proper" id as a coin in high tone in same envoronment!?

regards!
(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[Lutherluke]

Nice finds, I really like my CZ3D also and I have used them all, Some 5 or 6 times.I hit a spot yesterday that a friend of mine hit with an older Whites and I pulled a 1920 merc, A 1941S merc and 8 Wheatie's 1910 being the oldest. i couldn't wait to call him and give him a little grief and he beat me to it. he didn't say a whole lot, Just that i think I am gonna get a different detector.He already had a CZ5 and Explorer XS that I told him to buy and never give either one a chance and sold them again. So I guess its up to him.

 

[christopher-ohio]

Sure, some junk will give a high tone on any CZ but a CZ-3D can very well be used in a trashy post 1950's site. I can take a bottle cap, a pull tab, iron nail, pre-1982 penny, post 1982 zinc penny, dime, quarter put them on the ground or even bury them a few inches deep and get high tone the pennies, dime, and quarter but the iron blat on the nail with midtones for the rest in enhanced. Nickels can be tricky if the machine is not well-tuned for them. Proper 3D tuning is well described by Tom in great detail on his site. I guess my 3D's may have been better tuned than others out there but honestly, when coin hunting, it was the easist machine for me to use to dig the most coins, especially old, and avoid all that midtone trash that I would have to analyze with my CZ-70 as to whether I should dig it or not since it could be a midtone good desirable coin. If everyone had a super well-tuned 3D, I really think many would feel differently about them....JMHO...HH

Chris

 

[thejetman]

[quote christopher-ohio]Sure, some junk will give a high tone on any CZ but a CZ-3D can very well be used in a trashy post 1950's site. I can take a bottle cap, a pull tab, iron nail, pre-1982 penny, post 1982 zinc penny, dime, quarter put them on the ground or even bury them a few inches deep and get high tone the pennies, dime, and quarter but the iron blat on the nail with midtones for the rest in enhanced. Nickels can be tricky if the machine is not well-tuned for them. Proper 3D tuning is well described by Tom in great detail on his site. I guess my 3D's may have been better tuned than others out there but honestly, when coin hunting, it was the easist machine for me to use to dig the most coins, especially old, and avoid all that midtone trash that I would have to analyze with my CZ-70 as to whether I should dig it or not since it could be a midtone good desirable coin. If everyone had a super well-tuned 3D, I really think many would feel differently about them....JMHO...HH

Chris[/quote]

All very true. If it beeps at all in the HIGH range, dig. It WILL be a coin. You will get the occasional alluminum trash, but 9 time out of ten, is it is a high tone, its a coin. I dont even use the pinpoint feature other than to GB. Once it finds a target, it locks on hard. You can also gauge how big an object is by going over it, back and forth a couple of times to see if the signal drops or gets weird. Leave it in enhanced mode for now. It took me a little bit to learn mine, i think i dug 100 nails before i started getting coins.

 

[jmaryt]

thanks for the thorough response!..i read quite a few reports early on that stated the cz-3d could be used in post 50's sites,BUT with GREAT difficulty because of the d's affinity for giving the "high" tone on aluminum junk,however you claim that just isn't so!.what you say makes me want to investigate the "d" more closely now!
i live in new england and we are talking 350 years ,or better of "trash" possibly masking some good finds remaining to be found..it is almost impossible to locate pre 1950's sites that are relatively "clean" by dankowski's standards,so therefore i am forced to use the "d" in trash strewn parks,and other sites with a preponderence of junk also!..your field experience with the "d" has convinced me that i will get "PROPER" ID of junk targets in the ADVANCED mode while hunting these sites!
again!..my thanks for being truthful about this "critical" piece of information.

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[jmaryt]

jetman!..thanks for corroborating the info stated by chris!..it IS really appreciated!..what i can''t figure out is WHY wasn't this information reported before by others,because in the final analysis if the "d" DOESN'T perform this way in the junk,then you might as well forget it,and hunt with the cz-5,as there will be NO advantage at all in using the "d" just use a standard cz!..it's a real head scratcher for sure as to the reason this info wasn't revealed earlier!..al i can say is that MAYBE it was,and i just missed it,which of course IS possible!..any way i got it now,and i am excited to try one!..

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[thejetman]

This is my first detector also, I have never used any other detector so i am bias in this choice. I definatly like the way it works compared to my wifes Ace 250. Analog is more "tunable" then a digital detector.

HH