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wayne_etc

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Hey folks. I just bought a new (to me) Musketeer Advantage. I had an Explorer a few years ago, and now have the Musky.

I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions, but I noticed there's not a forum for this Machine. So where is an appropriate place to discuss the Musky?
BTW...VERY impressed with the short test I had with the machine in my test area. Hits a 8'' quarter hard in my tough red-clay soil, and that's after a sloppy ground balance and in discrim mode with 8'' coil. My Coinstrike and Vaquero couldn't do that!


w
 
Here is the link to an article I wrote several years ago, I called "Musky Hunting Made Easy".

http://www.minelab.com/consumer/page.php?section=272&id=6&pId=16&pNm=Musketeer%20Advantage

It should help get you started on the right track. If you have any questions about it, drop me a line. I still have my Advantage and happen to believe it is one of the most under rated detectors in the market place. Not many whistles and bells. But that dog can hunt! HH Randy
 
The X-Terra 70 and the Musketeer Advantage are exactly the same price at Kellyco. http://www.kellycodetectors.com/minelab/minelab.htm
$698.97

With both of them being the same price, isn't is wise to buy the X-Terra 70 instead or does the Musky have any advantage over the 70??
 
If you are wanting TID, multiple tones, "push button" controls, notch discrimination, and a couple other dozen features, the X-Terra is the way to go. At 5 khZ, The Musketeer is a hard-nosed, deep seeking, single frequency detector that offers extremely fast recovery speeds, forgiveble sweep speeds, super depth and excellent target separation. If you are a "beep and dig" kind of guy, the Advantage will surprise you at how good of detector it is. On the other hand, if you like to have more flexibility in setting up your detector, take it to the gold fields or simply enjoy some of the functionality offered by software driven detectors, you will likely chose the X-Terra. Both are excellent detectors and each are fully capable of serving the needs of most coinshooters and relic hunters.


When I bought my first Advantage, they were around $300 and came with the TS800 coil. For reasons that I can't explain, they have increased in cost considerably during the past few years. I'm sure part of that can be attributed to "inflation" as well as their now coming with the TS1000 coil, in a "pro pack" configuration. I have used every coil available for the Advantage and would be perfectly content using the TS800 90% of the time (on the Advantage) and the Excelerator 5-inch for those nasty - trashy environments. And, in my opinion, if they simply sold the Advantage with the TS800 coil, and let the user determine what "accessories" they wanted, they would sell a lot more Muskies. When I bought my first one, I also bought the cordura hipmount bag to protect the housing from the elements. I don't hunt in the rain. But I like to keep my detectors looking as good as possible. I also purchased the mounting bracket that allowed the control housing to be moved back under the armrest cup. That made a big difference in the balance of the detector. A year or so ago, I bought another one and added the Minelab straight rod similar to the Sovereign GT. I'm sure it is a matter of personal preference, but I think the straight rod allows me to have better control of the coil, when sweeping in and out of brushy areas or in between crop rows.

The X-Terra has become my "go-to" machine. I enjoy the functionality offered by audio tones, notches and auto "this and that", that my Advantage don't get as much use as it did, or probably should. I usually take it with me when I go out on a hunt. But with the flexibility of the X-Terra (frequency, coil options, settings etc), I find that I just don't use the Advantage as much any more. That may say more about my hunting habits as much as it does the detector. I guess maybe I've gotten spoiled by technology! JMHO HH Randy
 
Thanks again Randy. I actually prefer analog, knob machine over a push button digital machine even though the push button is far superior in features and flexability. Then I should buy the MXT to get the best of both worlds but they are "too heavy and bulky" is the draw back.

For the price they charge for the Musky they should have an all metal, auto ground balancing mode like the XT 70, Eureka, and Sovereign GT. Being over priced at around $700 the way it is now, although Minelab advertises superior depth.
http://www.minelab.com/consumer/page.php?section=272&id=1&pId=16&pNm=Musketeer%20Advantage

The Musky does have a 15" CoilTek Wot coil available for it(imagine the depth) you did not mention BUT the XT 70 "NEEDS a 15" coil "VERY BADLY" made for it also.
http://www.docsdetecting.com/docsplace/coiltek/coils2.html#cl15xtd

Yes the Sovereign GT has the better straight shaft. I was thinking of buying one with a WOT and the extra meter.
The new Sovereign brigdes the gap between the XT 0 and the Musky.

Have you ever compared a Musky or XT 70 "to" the "new" Sovereign GT with digital meter?
 
I won't say I prefer an analog machine. But I have one that I don't expect to part with. Something about the analog meter of my XLPro in that can tell me more about a target than a digital meter. Maybe, since I'm an "old school electonics tech", it is just second nature for me to "read more" into those subtle needle variations opposed to a series of numbers flying by. Heck, I still prefer my old Triplett or Simson VOM to the Fluke! I also have an MXT. And although it could be considered "analog circuitry", the digital meter doesn't qualify it as an analog detector, in my book. It isn't as digital as my XLT. But it isn't as analog as my XLPro, either. I suppose you could consider it a hybrid, of sorts. Others might have different opinions on that.

Being an avid fan of the Musketeer Advantage, I wouldn't say it is overpriced. I think the reason it seems expensive is because it has been around long enough that folks remember what it use to sell for. I suppose those folks who don't know it's capabilites might consider it to be expensive when compared to the "whistles and bells" offered by some other makes and models. But I've paid a lot more for some of the "latest and greatest" and many of them won't hold a candle to the Advantage for finding coins. And when it gets right down to it, that is what is important to me. Sure, they have more features. But I am not interested in features. I use a detector for functionality. And, in my opinion, there is a big difference between features and functionality. Although the 5 kHz Advantage doesn't have tracking, TID, multiple audio tones, notches or some of the other "features" offered by most other makes and models. It provides some of the quickest response between targets, allows for a wide variety of sweep speeds, is capable of using 6 or 7 different coils and hunts as deep as about any detector out there. And deeper than most. It only provides one tone when the coil passes over a target. But for those who have found a friend in the Musky, I think they would all agree that it speaks a language all it's own. Even with one tone. It locks on hard to targets of all sizes and depths. Sweeping it super fast when Xing over a target only makes it more determined to tell you what it is. I'm not blowing smoke just because I have one, but if I had the choice between my Advantage and any other non-metered detector on the market, I'd take the Advantage, hands down. It does what it was designed to do. And it does it as well or better than most.

My physical limitations are different than most, I'm sure. I suffered a spinal injury several years ago and as such, I don't get around as well as I once did. With that said, I've had my share of WOT coils on several detectors I've owned. And frankly, it is just too much for me to use for any extended period of time. The last time I took the Advantage and WOT out for a hunt, it was at an old farmsite where a guy was thought to have buried several cans of silver coins, about 75 years ago. Long story short, I didn't find the silver. But that afternoon did produce a couple dozen targets that could have been the silver. Not knowing what type of container the silver might have been buried in, we dug everything big and deep. We ended up with a bunch of old machinery pieces, ranging in size from a grapefruit to a basket ball. And I will tell you that the Advantage and WOT have no trouble detecting fist sized targets at depths of over 2-feet. Great combination. But just too heavy for me to use anymore.
As to the X-Terra offering a larger coil......... all we can do is wait and see what rolls out. I'm not aware of any "after market" coils in the works for the X-Terra. And frankly, I can't blame Minelab. The technology behind the X-Terra is extraordinary, to say the least. Having a microprocessor in the housing, communicating over a data link to a microchip in the coil is unique to these models. For Minelab to "share" that technology with folks outside the walls of Minelab would, in my opinion, be risky. I know there has been a lot of comments on bigger coils, smaller coils, different frequency coils and even electonic probes. I know that because I've talked with Minelab about some new ones myself. But again, I think any new coils you see coming out for the X-Terra, will be Minelab coils. Again, that is just my opinion.


The straight shaft I put on my Advantage was actually the shaft from one of the Minelab gold detectors. The Advantage I currently have is the "blue box" version. And I wanted a rod that matched the color of the housing. I know that sounds nuts! But if I still owned the "black box" Advantage, the black Sovereign GT rod would have been just fine! LOL

About 4 or 5 years ago, I did a "head to head" comparison of my Sovereign Elite to the Advantage. I've also owned the GT, and understand the differences between it and the Elite. I had even rescaled the 550 meter to operate at the current 180 configuration. But basically, the Elite and GT hunt very similarly. And there-in lies the problem, for me. As I mentioned, this old body doesn't work like it use to. I know the Advantage and Sovereign share the same basic ergonomics. Particulary now that I've incorporated the straight rod to my Advantage. But personally, I find the slow sweep required of the Sovereigns to be "unbalanced" to me. Not only do they require a slower sweep speed and offer a slower reset speed. But holding that coil out there while doing the "wiggle" is just too much strain on this old body. Without going into a lot of details, in my comparison between the Advantage and the Elite, I hunted an old picnic grounds that is now a farm field. After harvest, I went to that field with both detectors and two bags of colored golf tees. I walked down two rows with the Sovereign and two different rows with the Advantage. Instead of digging the targets, I stuck a golf tee into the spot, with one color representing the Sovereign and another color for the Advantage. I know this wasn't a scientific experiment by any stretch of the imagination. But it was a "real world" application for my test purposes. Anyway, what I found surprised even me. After marking the targets with the two colored tees, I went back over the same spot, using the opposite detector. I was able to confirm every target found with the Elite, using the Advantage. AND, I was able to confirm every target found with the Advantage, with the Elite. In addition, when I worked the two rows initially detected with the Advantage, I didn't find any targets going back over it with the Sovereign. However, I found several "missed" targets using the Advantage on the area initially hunted with the Sovereign. Like I said, this isn't scientific, by any means. I've hunted this site for over 25 years and the remaining coins are quite scattered. But one thing that struck home with me was the fact that it took me nearly 45 minutes to work those first two rows with the Sovereign. And it only took me 15 minutes to hunt the next two rows using the Advantage. In my mind, that told me that, not only would the Advantage find all the targets initially found by the Sovereign, the Advantage would cover 3 times as much ground in a given period of time, compared to my Sovereign. And when you are looking at a 40 acre patch of ground, I consider that an important factor to consider.

It wouldn't be a fair evaluation for me to compare the Sovereign to the X-70 or the Advantage, for those who don't have a problem with swinging the Sovereign. I acknowlege the extreme separation offered by the Sovereign and a 5-inch coil. However, for those who like a faster sweeping, non- metered detector, that hunts deep and separates very well, the Advantage is an excellent choice. For those who want tracking, notches, TID, tones etc, the X-70 offers all of that, and more, in a very lightweight, well balanced, package. I am by no means an expert using any one particular make or model. But I'd like to think that I could take my Advantage or my X-70, and keep up with most folks using their Sovereigns. I may miss a few coins along the way. But I'll make up for those few missed coins by the number of coins I find, in the additional ground I will cover. JMHO HH Randy
 
My Advantage came with the straight rod as well. I'm not sure I like it. The balance is great, but I don't like not having easy access to the controls. I guess I'll get used to it with time.


By the way, a question for you...What is the smallest coil available for the Advantage, and is it really much better in trash than the slimline 8?



w
 
Randy.
Out of the Sovereign and the Advantage, which of these do you find it easier to tell whether you have a coin under the coil?
Thanks.
Mick Evans.
 
I probably hunt a bit differently than some, but I never change settings on my Advanage once I start a hunt. Therefore, I never have to adjust the controls. As a coin shooter, I usually set the discrimination setting to what would represent 1:30 if it were a clock dial. This setting barely accepts a US nickel and my gold ring. Your setting might vary, depending on where the knob was when they tightened the set screw. In my moderately mineralized soil, I can run in fixed GB most of the time, with excellent results. On the occassion I do set the GB manually, I'm familiar enough with the control knob placement that it doesn't take long to make an adjustment. I never use Pinpoint mode on the Advantage, preferring to use an Xing motion. So, if you set your Advantage with both toggles in the down position, turn the sensitivity as far clockwise as you can, without causing undue chatter, set the Disc control to approximately 1:30, and set your GB according to your preference, you shouldn't have to look at the control knobs very often.

I use the TS800 coil most of the time. I prefer to hunt in old sites for old coins. As such, I don't frequent parks very often. However, when I do, I like the 5-inch Excelerator coil on my Advantage. It offers surprising depth and is excellent at separating targets. Even with it's small size, it has no problem detecting a dime at 6 inches.

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HH Randy

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Either one will tell you that you have an accepted target under the coil. The Sovereign has the added ability to give you a TID, when equipped with the meter. But to lock onto a target in a congested area, you must sweep slowly. (sovereign wiggle). Although the Advantage does not have TID meter capability, it definitely gives you a solid "locked on" target response when sweeping over a target in the accepted range. One other thing I would note..... the faster you sweep the coil (when Xing over the target) the harder the Advantage will lock on. I honestly don't think I could "outsweep" the Advantage. By that, I mean that I cannot sweep the coil over an accepted target so fast that it disappears. Rejected targets don't sound off at all. And those targets who's conductivity place them on the "edge" of locking on, will break up in audio when swept over quickly. Coins and other targets who's conductivity places them in the accepted range will remain locked on, regardless of the sweep speed. JMHO Randy
 
That's super Randy, I read everything you wrote and it does help. I feel like buying a Muskateer. I honestly wish it had a Auto GB Ground Trac in All Metals and that would make it much better. Maybe the Eureka Gold is a Muskateer Advantage with more features added on?

I have been wanting to buy a analog manual turn button machine and was thinking about the Soveriegn GT but I had no idea that they had such a SLOW response speed turns me off. With the BBS it does not have any more depth than the Muskateer. Then what is the point of the BBS, for high mineralization?

I looked at the Musky, MXT, Lobo, Vaquero, Eureka, and Sovereign GT. I thought the Sovereign GT was the one but I am doubting now. Does the Musky have more depth than your MXT, Randy? You can reply very briefly is 100%.
 
One comment I would make about the Advantage, I don't find that the all metal mode is any deeper than the Discriminate mode. In fact, and I know some might disagree with this, but the Advantage does not seem to lose depth as you increase the Discrimination level. I've never used a Eureka. So I can't comment, first hand, how it would perform as a coin shooter. I know the lowest of the three frequencies (6.4 kHz) should be decent for silver, copper and gold coins. But I've been told that the lower frequency's objective is to find larger, deeper targets. And might not be as responsive to coin sized objects. But again, I've not used one to say for sure. We've got some prospectors on here that might be able to shed some light on how the Eureka performs on coins.

BBS Technology automatically transmits 17 separate frequencies over a range from 1.5khz to 25khz. This means you have more depth, greater sensitivity and more accurate discrimination. It may be a bit more sensitive in that the slower sweep speed might bring smaller targets to your attention. But I would argue both the depth and discrimination. At least from my experience, in the places I have hunted. Depth is similar. And, other than the notch capability of the Sovereign, the discrimination is similar as well. Granted, the Sovereign allows the use of a TID meter. But copper and silver coins all read the same. If you're going to dig when it beeps, and it don't give any depth information, what is the point?

Don't get me wrong. The Sovereign is a good detector and I've made some great finds with mine, over the years. But the trials and tribulations of aging is catching up with me. And the physical demands of using the Sovereign (like I want to use it), are just more than this old body can endure. :stretcher:


Yes, in my moderately mineralized soil, my Advantage will hunt deeper than my MXT when using comparable sized coils. (e.g. TS800 is 7.25 inches and my 5.3 Eclipse is 6-inches) If your soil varies a lot, from site to site, the Tracking mode of the MXT might be something you want to consider.

JMHO HH Randy
 
[size=large]Randy, you have some really great stuff there. One very final thing. It maybe used for gold prospecting. How many turns is the Muskys manual GB knob ? THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR INPUT, IT IS INVALUABLE !!! I hope you do not find it stressfull to type alot, because I do and I must cut it down for my health. I enjoy the info very much though........[/size]
 
No one more thing. I am looking for about about a good 4" to 5" plug remover. (I have a small 2 and 1/2" garden one for bulbs that is too small.) I know it could kill grass but anyway. In the past in my memory there was a something called a Hole Hog? Any leads on this...
 
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