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AT PRO or EXCALIBUR?

Whitetail

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I know they are two different price ranges, but for the money is the Excalibur that much better a detector than the AT Pro? I'm basically looking for an underwater detector for doing some water searches. Much of my water searches will be shallow I'd guess. Your thoughts on using these two units for those of you who have them would be greatly appreciated.
I guess the reason I like the Excalibur is I also scuba dive and the AT Pro is only waterproof to 10' vs 250' on the Excalibur.
Thanks.
 
If you're gonna dive you kinda answered your own question, especially in a salt water environment. Excal all the way (I own both).
 
In salt water you are going to be disappointed in the AT Pro. I just really like the pod set up on the Xcals over opening the box. I do believe the Xcals coil is a little more fragle..... you have to make or buy a straight shaft for good balance..... need a knob guard..... ooooo and a big arss scoop. But .... if you want it as a fresh water machine and all around dirt digger.... the Pro could be the ticket..... especially for the money. Salt water or diving situation.... none better than the Xcal and it WILL pay for its self if used. Paid for mine in a couple of weeks.

Dew
 
Like they said, in mineralized beaches, or in salt water ones, the AT Pro won't get the same depth/stability of the Excal from all I've read who use both. That said, I've heard some say the AT Pro does pretty good in salt water for a single frequency machine.

Here's the way I look at it: I have a GT (the land version of the Excal) that I throw on my water shaft and chest mount for water hunting to say waist deep, and I throw it on my custom light weight land shaft with meter for my land hunts. Perfect solution for both. Good reason why all the coils for the BBS units have long cables.

So I can already wade waist deep with my GT, but just the same some days I want to go deeper but just won't risk it. For that reason, I'm getting an AT Pro as my backup land and water machine. I can't justify paying roughly twice the price for an Excal just to go that every few feet deeper than I already can with my GT. The AT Pro price is easier to swallow for that purpose, so any less performance in certain respects on my mineralized fresh water beaches is not a big issue to me.

Besides, way I'm reading it the AT Pro, while not the best at fine gold like thin chains or tiny earrings compared to the cream of the crop machines for sensitivity to that stuff, is more sensitive to them than the BBS units which in my testing won't even see a lot of this finer gold stuff. So that's a perk right there. Now, most days I don't care about thin chains or tiny earrings, as what is mainly lost at the beach is rings, and in that case the BBS units will bang even the thinnest of gold rings at amazing depth, due to them being an intact metal loop which presents a big picture to the BBS units just like a deep silver coin will.

Combine that somewhat better finer gold ability on chains/earrings of the AT Pro with it's cheap price, that alone would be reason enough for me to justify the purchase for that extra few feet of water on days I want to wade deeper, or say for days I want to hunt for finer gold when I've already pounded the spot for rings and other gold the GT is able to find.

But the added perk is this...The AT Pro has a full function LCD screen and is light enough so that it's just as at home on land as it is in the water. Now I've got a backup for land on rainy days, or even as a faster sweeping machine when I'm in the mood to swing faster on land working heavy trash or iron. Sure, the Minelabs will unmask well if you keep your sweep speed low, and in fact I prefer a slow sweep machine for working "dead" sites these days (I feel for one thing they see deeper not trying to reset so fast on you), but there are days I'm in the mood to swing faster while working the trash. On those days out comes the AT Pro. It'll also make an excellent fast clad hunter.

I'm also wondering how well it pin points, because if it's anything like my Whites units I've owned then I'll also use it for say working nicely kept sports fields where I don't feel comfortable digging to find rings. Stick a screwdriver in the ground and pop the shallow stuff out hoping for rings. A real time saver too. I can do that with my GT by using my Pro Pointer super tuned to find exactly where the target is without digging, but just the same without having to use the Pro Pointer that saves even more time. So anybody know how well the AT Pro pin points? Can you de-tune it like you can a whites over the target for an even tighter PP?

Beyond all that jazz, sooner or later here I'm going to pick up one of those $20 waterproof Plano boxes to throw my GT into on days I'm water hunting. I plan to mount the Plano on a snap on back shaft extension for my water shaft (the stock GT shaft) so I can go shoulder/neck deep and still not have the box touching water so the risk of a leak is even less. And, it won't be trying to float or drag on me being out of the water. Mounted on an extension so it's at head height I can get neck deep and it'll just be still above the water. My stock 10" Tornado coil stays on the stock shaft for water hunts, so all I have to do is quickly throw the control box on for water hunts, and my 12x10 and meter stays on my lightweight custom built land shaft, so conversion is quick and easy to go from water to land and back.

Now, you might think that would eliminate my need for an AT Pro? Nope, still other perks for land/water to buy one at that great price they are as stated already above. Besides, a lot of Minelab guys also have an AT Pro that never even use it in the water. They break it out on days they want to move faster thru trash without risking masking targets like you would swinging fast with a Minelab, and also for say a faster scouting tool searching through the woods for areas of activity.

Garret also has some very cheaply priced coil options for the AT Pro. I was amazed at the prices when I checked them out, and the selection seems to be just what I want in tiny trash coils or larger ones for more depth. On top of all the pros/cons above, throw in the fact that it's got waterproof coil connectors and also waterproof headphone connectors, and this machine is just calling my name.

One tiny con to the AT Pro...I watched a few videos and the audio is very short and processed. I don't see how you can derive target traits on land with that nearly as well as the long detailed drawn out audio of the BBS units, but just the same for it's purpose I intend it for it'll be OK I guess. When land hunting for rings out comes the GT for it's more telling audio and super high VDI resolution in the foil to copper penny range to split hairs on things like tabs/rings/nickels, but for old coin hunting on land in heavy trash when I want to swing fast out comes the AT Pro. I don't plan to hunt fine jewlery with the AT Pro on land, as I never would bother with that and am just after rings land hunting, but in the water a bit extra fine gold ability is a plus in my book...
 
I just got rid of my AT-Gold and got an Excalibur 800. If you were just going to wade fresh water lakes then the AT-Pro would be OK, it might even work a little better for small gold chains, but its not an Excalibur.
 
Most people using the Xcal are satisfied to MISS smaller targets and go for the BIG tickets any way. Many if it drops thru the bucket.... they keep on moving. They even change over to the larger coils to hunt this style. Thing about a REAL salt water machine is..... if you can come up with the cash and will get your butt out there they pay for them selves quickly so you aint out much.... plus they have GREAT resale. Id let performance not price be my guide.

Dew
 
Those that know me from other forums know I don't lie. I am a diver and a wading water hunter mainly and have both the Excal and AT Pro. I can say that the AT Pro being a single freq detector is not able to hunt most salt beaches where salt and black sand is present unless you greatly turn down the Sens. and this only gets you very shallow targets. Granted not all salt beaches are the same and yours might work fine with the ATP. But with the Excal being able to reject iron on top of gold rings and still report on the gold rings without masking them out is by far a great advantage over the Garrett. I've had 3 AT Pro's and the last one seems to work as it should. Still for fresh water I rely on the Excal or CZ20/21 along with the Tiger Shark. Neither has a meter to slow you down wondering if you should dig it or not. All three of these detectors are rated for water deeper than I dive.
 
One of the Old Masters, Sandman......:thumbup:
 
I have the AT Pro, 2 Excalibers and an Xlt.
They all have their uses. I am impressed with the At on land and fresh water,, it is a fantastic machine for the price. I never really liked the pinpoint button but dig very close without it.

Having said that, I have a job that has me at the beach for the next 7 months. I brought the AT and both Excalibers because my wife likes to detect when she can come see me. The At is way too unstable unless you turn the sensitivity very low, losing depth.
I consistently find dimes at 8 inch and sometimes deeper with the Excal.

I will Never take the Excal on land. The mask is sweet, but way too large and inhibits the recovery to the point you spend too much time trying to decide if it is a bottle cap or not.

Bottom line is, If you hunt salt beaches alot, Excal.
If not, the AT Pro will give you alot more bang for your buck. ( By the way, I have paid for both of my Excals a couple of times And I have found enough on dry land to pay for the AT, you just have to get your coil over it!)
 
I have an AT Gold and a Sovereign. Once I got the ATG I never used the Sov again--not even once. The Garrett has unreal ability to find targets next to iron. I'm saying best in the industry. The Iron Audio and Hi-Res Iron Discrimination and lightning fast recovery speed and target seperation put it so far ahead of the Sov. Even with the 5 inch coil the Sov will not pick up small gold. And while the ATG frequency (18 Hz) is not as sensitive to silver as the lower frequency machines, using the 5 x 8 double d coil I've found deeper silver with an accurate target ID number where I worked many times before with other machines.

Better send up the red warning flag when somone has to tell you they don't lie.
 
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