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Are the BH Gold and Platinum coils a plug in or screw on?
- Thread starter Hightone
- Start date
Then they are interchangable with Greek series plug ins, F5 plug ins and the new BH plug ins, but using the older BH plug ins (design for a different freq) may not work.
Monte knows about coil design. Maybe he will chime in. Is the windings of a 6.6khz coil that much different than a 7.8khz coils? Or is it the components inside the coil that may effect the head differently?
Monte knows about coil design. Maybe he will chime in. Is the windings of a 6.6khz coil that much different than a 7.8khz coils? Or is it the components inside the coil that may effect the head differently?
I think we are trying to figure out FTPs "proper". In the coil compatibility chart for BHs, the Gold and Platinum share the 8" with the LRP, QDP amd LSP (new pro line). Yet the Golds 5" doesn't show up under any other detector, and the Pros 10" C and 11" DDs are different than the Platinum, and no 10" or 11" show up under the Gold. How can all detectors share one coil, but not the others? That's the question.
I don't think the charts complete, myself.
Compatibility Chart
I don't think the charts complete, myself.
Compatibility Chart
referring to the 'proper' SIZE and 'proper' TYPE coils to best handle challenges at a site with varying amounts of trash, dense brush, building rubble, etc.
Using the chart you linked to, such a coil for most of the dense trash sites I like to hunt is not available for the Land Ranger Pro and Quick Draw Pro or Lone Star Pro. Those three new models use the Teknetics Greek series coils BUT have only a push-on connector and not a screw-on. So you're limited to the round 8" Concentric which I like best of the three; the 5½x9¾ elliptical Concentric [size=small](they call 10" Concentric)[/size] which I like almost as much as the 8" round coil; and the 11+" Elliptical BiAxial [size=small](Double-D)[/size] which I really don't care for at all for my needs.
While I am not a regular big fan of DD coils for my hunting needs, there are only a couple that I DO like. Those are the round sub 5" DD for my Omega use in dense trash, and, if I am going to do general hunting with a DD coil, I do like the 5X10 elliptical DD coil. My 5" DD coil is always ready for action, but these two DD's are not part of the push-on connector coils made for the Bounty Hunter 'Pro' models. Thus, for ME, I can't get my favorite, aka 'proper,' coil size in the sub-5" DD for the Land Ranger Pro and new BH 'Pro' family.
Honestly, I think that these are interesting releases for the very popular [size=small](meaning wide-spread, not most sought-after by avid detectorists)[/size] Bounty Hunter product line, but I feel they should have done a few things differently. One, they are engineered from the Tek. family of detectors and use Teknetics-compatible coils [size=small](except for the connectors)[/size]. They use a different level of features and in-the-field performance than most of the BH line. And third, they are marketed in the same low-baller pricing like the BH line instead of holding an MSRP or MAP price like the Fisher and Teknetics brands.
I would have set these three 'Pro' models apart for the rest of the BH line and made them more-or-less elite models from Bounty Hunter.
I would have used screw-on connectors, and that would have made them compatible with ALL of the screw-on Teknetics Greek series search coils.
I would have been more restrictive in how they were marketed so as to hold a better value on them, like other brands do. By doing the mass-market, make-what-you-can method, I think they then de-value the product. This low-discount pricing makes them appear to be cheap and inferior, which is how many people view the entire Bounty Hunter line. I would have limited the suggested retail to the MSRP or a MAP price. That would have encouraged more savvy dealers who are real detector users to stock, own and use these models instead of them being funneled through big discount chains and sold by clerks who haven't a clue how to help their customers. Add more of a quality 'feeling' to Bounty Hunter.
Personally, I would like to have a Land Ranger Pro in my arsenal that had a screw-on connector and could use my 5" DD and 5X10 DD and 8" Concentric coils. Not one of the more limited coil compatible units they push out the shipping door.
Then I could match the 'proper' search coil to the trashier sites I get out to hunt.
I took my dog Rikki and made a 'dawn patrol' out into the country this morning to locate three old school sites. One is a bunch of dense brush and two of them are a mix of brush and a lot of post-harvest stubble. Not friendly locations to try and work a big coil with a lot of openings to snag on the stubble, sage brush and stiff brushy growth. Good places to use an 8" Concentric, but especially hit the brushier and iron littered parts with a little 5" DD and go slow. That coil isn't available for the LRP. Sad.
Just my opinions.
Monte
Using the chart you linked to, such a coil for most of the dense trash sites I like to hunt is not available for the Land Ranger Pro and Quick Draw Pro or Lone Star Pro. Those three new models use the Teknetics Greek series coils BUT have only a push-on connector and not a screw-on. So you're limited to the round 8" Concentric which I like best of the three; the 5½x9¾ elliptical Concentric [size=small](they call 10" Concentric)[/size] which I like almost as much as the 8" round coil; and the 11+" Elliptical BiAxial [size=small](Double-D)[/size] which I really don't care for at all for my needs.
While I am not a regular big fan of DD coils for my hunting needs, there are only a couple that I DO like. Those are the round sub 5" DD for my Omega use in dense trash, and, if I am going to do general hunting with a DD coil, I do like the 5X10 elliptical DD coil. My 5" DD coil is always ready for action, but these two DD's are not part of the push-on connector coils made for the Bounty Hunter 'Pro' models. Thus, for ME, I can't get my favorite, aka 'proper,' coil size in the sub-5" DD for the Land Ranger Pro and new BH 'Pro' family.
Honestly, I think that these are interesting releases for the very popular [size=small](meaning wide-spread, not most sought-after by avid detectorists)[/size] Bounty Hunter product line, but I feel they should have done a few things differently. One, they are engineered from the Tek. family of detectors and use Teknetics-compatible coils [size=small](except for the connectors)[/size]. They use a different level of features and in-the-field performance than most of the BH line. And third, they are marketed in the same low-baller pricing like the BH line instead of holding an MSRP or MAP price like the Fisher and Teknetics brands.
I would have set these three 'Pro' models apart for the rest of the BH line and made them more-or-less elite models from Bounty Hunter.
I would have used screw-on connectors, and that would have made them compatible with ALL of the screw-on Teknetics Greek series search coils.
I would have been more restrictive in how they were marketed so as to hold a better value on them, like other brands do. By doing the mass-market, make-what-you-can method, I think they then de-value the product. This low-discount pricing makes them appear to be cheap and inferior, which is how many people view the entire Bounty Hunter line. I would have limited the suggested retail to the MSRP or a MAP price. That would have encouraged more savvy dealers who are real detector users to stock, own and use these models instead of them being funneled through big discount chains and sold by clerks who haven't a clue how to help their customers. Add more of a quality 'feeling' to Bounty Hunter.
Personally, I would like to have a Land Ranger Pro in my arsenal that had a screw-on connector and could use my 5" DD and 5X10 DD and 8" Concentric coils. Not one of the more limited coil compatible units they push out the shipping door.
Then I could match the 'proper' search coil to the trashier sites I get out to hunt.
I took my dog Rikki and made a 'dawn patrol' out into the country this morning to locate three old school sites. One is a bunch of dense brush and two of them are a mix of brush and a lot of post-harvest stubble. Not friendly locations to try and work a big coil with a lot of openings to snag on the stubble, sage brush and stiff brushy growth. Good places to use an 8" Concentric, but especially hit the brushier and iron littered parts with a little 5" DD and go slow. That coil isn't available for the LRP. Sad.
Just my opinions.
Monte
But as I said, even the compatiblitiy chart is not a great guide. The manual says that a 4" concentric is what works on the LRP. A model 4COILPRO. Can't find one. Not on the C chart. Must be vapor-ware. We hope it's different than the 4COIL for BHs that only barely detect 3".
Yet, the F5F Fisher 5" DD coil will work as well, as long as it's the plug in connector (still available).
You'll note that the F5 is the same freq as the Tek Greeks. It is why all the early plug ins for the F5 work with the Golds and Platinums (and Gold Bug). Enter the plug in Pro line at 7.69 khz. Are the early F5/TekB coils not compatible because they are 7.8 khz with the same plug in? Who knows. I wouldn't think so.
I just sold my older plug in F5 to tnrob. Dollars to donuts, I bet the 11" DD, 10" C and 5" DD would have worked well on my LRP.
When I look at NEL coils, one of them is for:
Tek Greeks, Fisher F5, Fisher Gold Bug, Bounty Hunter Gold and Platinum.
All you do is select which connector you want. I would think the BH Pro line would accept it as well.
Yet, the F5F Fisher 5" DD coil will work as well, as long as it's the plug in connector (still available).
You'll note that the F5 is the same freq as the Tek Greeks. It is why all the early plug ins for the F5 work with the Golds and Platinums (and Gold Bug). Enter the plug in Pro line at 7.69 khz. Are the early F5/TekB coils not compatible because they are 7.8 khz with the same plug in? Who knows. I wouldn't think so.
I just sold my older plug in F5 to tnrob. Dollars to donuts, I bet the 11" DD, 10" C and 5" DD would have worked well on my LRP.
When I look at NEL coils, one of them is for:
Tek Greeks, Fisher F5, Fisher Gold Bug, Bounty Hunter Gold and Platinum.
All you do is select which connector you want. I would think the BH Pro line would accept it as well.
I know several have hooked up one of the 4" BH coils, for the earlier versions/different frequency models and they worked .... terribly, but kind of worked. Just not a 'proper' compatible coil. I hooked one of those up at a Dealer friend's shop to a basic Euro-Tek [size=small](not the Pro version with screw-on connector)[/size] and it kind of worked, but had some problems in the visual display info and depth, or lack thereof.
A guy wanted a LRP and to check out my 5" DD for my Omega/Delta team. He said he could get an adapter and that my 5" Tek coil worked just fine.
Why Teknetics made one of their Tek models, the Euro-Tek, with a push-on connector just didn't make sense to me. Some people wanted one as a budget back-up unit, but it wouldn't share coils with the couple Omega or Gamma. The they take the BH line, use different design concepts and frequency from the other Bounty Hunters, but don't go the extra mile to use a screw-on connector.
Honestly, I wish a manufacturer would offer a lot of their detectors as a complete outfit, all the rods, housings, batteries, etc., but WITHOUT a search coil. In this day and age they could market them that way and have the dealer stock the basic detector set-up and also whatever coil assortment they feel will sell or be more appropriate for the detector. Let the consumer pick. The detectors could be sold for a bit less and they could offer a 'detector discount' on any coil(s) ordered with a detector to make a 'package' the end user wants.
You could have bought your Land range Pro with the coil you would have preferred, and if they had screw-on connectors ... OR ... all of the compatible coils available with the proper push-on connectors, it sure would appeal to a lot more buyers.
Monte
A guy wanted a LRP and to check out my 5" DD for my Omega/Delta team. He said he could get an adapter and that my 5" Tek coil worked just fine.
Why Teknetics made one of their Tek models, the Euro-Tek, with a push-on connector just didn't make sense to me. Some people wanted one as a budget back-up unit, but it wouldn't share coils with the couple Omega or Gamma. The they take the BH line, use different design concepts and frequency from the other Bounty Hunters, but don't go the extra mile to use a screw-on connector.
Honestly, I wish a manufacturer would offer a lot of their detectors as a complete outfit, all the rods, housings, batteries, etc., but WITHOUT a search coil. In this day and age they could market them that way and have the dealer stock the basic detector set-up and also whatever coil assortment they feel will sell or be more appropriate for the detector. Let the consumer pick. The detectors could be sold for a bit less and they could offer a 'detector discount' on any coil(s) ordered with a detector to make a 'package' the end user wants.
You could have bought your Land range Pro with the coil you would have preferred, and if they had screw-on connectors ... OR ... all of the compatible coils available with the proper push-on connectors, it sure would appeal to a lot more buyers.
Monte
This FTP coil frenzy is frustrating. I bought the QDP to get a 10" C coil. It was $35 more to buy the detector than the price of the only 10" coil I could find that worked. The 8" C is $101 (per chart). Why not buy a Lone Star Pro or Gold for $159 and get a rod as well?
Yes. The 4COIL will work.......terribly. So the 4COILPRO is the right coil (according to FTP). Non existent, right now.
But..........I rarely hunt high trash areas, so to me no big deal. Below is the wording from the NEL Sharp 5" DD coil sold on EBay. It says "screw on connector". Yet it fits the BH Gold and Platinum. This is why I asked in a thread if the Gold/Platinum were screw in or plug in. Farmer85 says his is plug in. Obviously the coil below will not work. Another dealer has the coil below but a selection box for "screw in" or "plug in".
Just frustrated. But I'm OK with the two I have till someone straightens it out.
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NEL Sharp 5” DD Search Coil for Fisher Teknetics Bounty Hunter Metal Detectors
Stable, Sensitive and above all these NEL search coils provide more depth than the standard search coil. Improved discrimination and better target seperation .
Ultra-light weight and yet solid construction.
Compatible Metal Detector
Omega, Gamma, Delta, Alpha, G-2, Gold Bug, F5 Bounty Hunter Gold, Bounty Hunter Platinum
Water Protection Search Coil is Completely Waterproof
Coil Size 5"
Coil Shape Round
Coil Windings Double-D (DD)
Manufacturer NEL Coils
Coil Family NEL Sharp
Warranty 2 Years
Connector Screw-On Connector
Yes. The 4COIL will work.......terribly. So the 4COILPRO is the right coil (according to FTP). Non existent, right now.
But..........I rarely hunt high trash areas, so to me no big deal. Below is the wording from the NEL Sharp 5" DD coil sold on EBay. It says "screw on connector". Yet it fits the BH Gold and Platinum. This is why I asked in a thread if the Gold/Platinum were screw in or plug in. Farmer85 says his is plug in. Obviously the coil below will not work. Another dealer has the coil below but a selection box for "screw in" or "plug in".
Just frustrated. But I'm OK with the two I have till someone straightens it out.
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NEL Sharp 5” DD Search Coil for Fisher Teknetics Bounty Hunter Metal Detectors
Stable, Sensitive and above all these NEL search coils provide more depth than the standard search coil. Improved discrimination and better target seperation .
Ultra-light weight and yet solid construction.
Compatible Metal Detector
Omega, Gamma, Delta, Alpha, G-2, Gold Bug, F5 Bounty Hunter Gold, Bounty Hunter Platinum
Water Protection Search Coil is Completely Waterproof
Coil Size 5"
Coil Shape Round
Coil Windings Double-D (DD)
Manufacturer NEL Coils
Coil Family NEL Sharp
Warranty 2 Years
Connector Screw-On Connector
