saginawian
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I've read people advertising their for sale Tejons as "an earlier hotter model" and other places people are saying that some go deeper than others I've read that some Cibolas are deeper than others. - any truth to this?
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Are some machines "hotter" than others?
- Thread starter saginawian
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Tony
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I would be confident to say that all of a certain type of machine should behave the same as one another so as to be unnoticeable to an operator. All of the individual parts and components are the same.
For a machine to be noticeably "hotter" than an identical unit is a hard story to backup......even machines from different brands are hard to separate in performance.
A side by side test with both machines setup identically would at least have some scientific merit....maybe gauge the response over a specific target. If one machine smokes the other it's more likely a case of one detector being faulty rather than the other being a "hot" unit.
Just my view on the topic.
Tony.
PS I'm sure I've got a "hot" Tesoro Vaquero......
For a machine to be noticeably "hotter" than an identical unit is a hard story to backup......even machines from different brands are hard to separate in performance.
A side by side test with both machines setup identically would at least have some scientific merit....maybe gauge the response over a specific target. If one machine smokes the other it's more likely a case of one detector being faulty rather than the other being a "hot" unit.
Just my view on the topic.
Tony.
PS I'm sure I've got a "hot" Tesoro Vaquero......
rentasquid
New member
n/t
If you're using "hotter" to mean deeper I firmly believe the answer is yes, some detectors are "hotter" than other detectors of the same brand and model. Over the years I've compared quite a few detectors of the same make and model, and while there were only a couple of instances where the difference was drastic there were differences in many of them. A couple or three examples. I did the same tests on 5 Fisher CZ's, an original CZ6 I had Fisher convert to a 6a, three CZ5's and a 7a Pro. Two of the 5's and the 7a Pro were so close in both air and inground tests as to be identical, the other 5 was almost an inch short and the older 6 was the deepest with 2 inches on the weaker 5 and half that on the others. All of the CZ's were ground balanced correctly and the same denomination coins - nickels, dimes and quarters - were used for both air and inground tests.
I had similar results with four Compadre's. The two "hottest" were virtually even although one had the 5.75 inch coil and the other the 7 inch. Both had a little over an inch depth advantage over the other two on inground targets. The difference in the Compadres could have just been the preset ground balance being set differently though, as it could be with a "hot" or "cold" Cibola. The most drastic difference I found was between an original Cointrax Treasure Baron and two of the later Millennium models that have the same electronics in lighter cases. The original had over two inches on inground targets and closer to three in air and they have either auto or manual ground balance that was set correctly in manual mode, so that definitely wasn't the reason for the difference in them. Swapping the coils around made a slight difference but the orignal Cointrax was still the "hottest" regardless of which coil was on it. There are always trade offs though, regardless of the brand or model the "hotter" detectors were also more prone to false and chatter.
I had similar results with four Compadre's. The two "hottest" were virtually even although one had the 5.75 inch coil and the other the 7 inch. Both had a little over an inch depth advantage over the other two on inground targets. The difference in the Compadres could have just been the preset ground balance being set differently though, as it could be with a "hot" or "cold" Cibola. The most drastic difference I found was between an original Cointrax Treasure Baron and two of the later Millennium models that have the same electronics in lighter cases. The original had over two inches on inground targets and closer to three in air and they have either auto or manual ground balance that was set correctly in manual mode, so that definitely wasn't the reason for the difference in them. Swapping the coils around made a slight difference but the orignal Cointrax was still the "hottest" regardless of which coil was on it. There are always trade offs though, regardless of the brand or model the "hotter" detectors were also more prone to false and chatter.
I have had the opportunity to test several new detectors of the same model, side by side, and have found that there is a difference is some, but not all detectors.
Electronic assemblies, whether it be a detector or a TV, all have some differences due to the components that are used. Some components have a tolerance of 5%, which is good, while others vary as much as 10% or more, which may not be good. (depends on where it is used)
Three of these new detectors were MXT's, side by side, and I found all three to be different. This is not to say that the MXT's
are bad, quite the contrary, they are an excellent detector. And all
three of these MXT's were excellent, just that some have a closer tolerence.
However, if one or more component goes bad, it can affect the detector's performance dramatically.
Ken/CO
Electronic assemblies, whether it be a detector or a TV, all have some differences due to the components that are used. Some components have a tolerance of 5%, which is good, while others vary as much as 10% or more, which may not be good. (depends on where it is used)
Three of these new detectors were MXT's, side by side, and I found all three to be different. This is not to say that the MXT's
are bad, quite the contrary, they are an excellent detector. And all
three of these MXT's were excellent, just that some have a closer tolerence.
However, if one or more component goes bad, it can affect the detector's performance dramatically.
Ken/CO
Hi, I wouldn't worry too much about getting a hot instrument. Of course it is not a perfect world and so our electronic components are never ideal. But surface mount technology has certainly given us a more stable platform to work with. But I would imagine that you will get an instrument from a run that maybe performing slightly better than the rest of the run. Ok I hope this helps.
John Tomlinson,CET
John's Detectors
John Tomlinson,CET
John's Detectors
BuckeyeBrad
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I saw a definite difference. Sorry, but due to personal experience I would have to respectfully disagree with you.