Anything coming out from Tesoro soon?

[ChuckDiggin it in Florida]

I think the last thing I saw was the Cibola?

 

[Hombre]

I Hope they do come up with something great, soon! Also they need an ID machine with an analog meter. A smaller and better packaged version of their excellent Toltec ll would be a nice addition to their lineup.I have owned a Toltec ll since they first came out with one in 1994. I have since owned a White's XLT, DFX and Explorer ll and compared their performance with the Toltec ll and found the high tech machines paled in comparison to the Toltec especially when compared side by side in the iron nails. Some people poo-poo the performance of the Toltec ll,saying that it is wimpy in the depth dept. I say nonsense, it is plenty deep if it is ground balanced properly and the sensitivity turned past the preset of 7 on the dial. The only digital machine I wished I would have held onto was the XLT, once understood (this was before the internet forums) it was deeper than my Toltec ll, but the Toltec ll would trounce it in the iron nails.

Yes, the new machine should have a simple swing needle analog meter, with a 0-100 VDI scale in the shape of a 1954 Ford PU speedometer, kinda like the shape of a quartered piece of pie. This meter must be accurate down to 10 inches on a dime. On the front panel of my dream machine it would have an on/off Sensitivity (battery check) knob, a Threshold knob, a Discrimination knob, and a 10 turn ground balance knob (that affects the motion disc. and all-metal modes). It would have the "Quiet Electronics" of the older ED120 machines, but with an ED 180 discrimination with the range expanded in the lower conductivity of adjustment. The new dream machine should also have more "gain" built into it, but not sacrificing stability. It would also include a true non-motion, threshold based All-Metal mode that is like the original Bandido in operation but with a trigger operated switch that is similar to the Tejon. If they would come out with something like what I described and weighed about 3 Lbs., I would buy one in a heartbeat! By the way I'm hanging on to my Toltec ll, and NOT holding my breath!

Randy

 

[SkiWhiz]

Hey Randy since you don't like the Toltec at all , let me do you a favor by sending it to me, you know I am a sucker for them old junk machines . Steve.

 

[Hombre]

HAR HAR HAR!!!!!!!!!

Nice try Steve, but read the last sentence of my essay. You are going to like the Pantera, just give it more than a week. If you get rid of it too soon, I'LL be nameing you "ONE WEEK WONDER". I don't think that is becoming to you

Randy

 

[dahut]

I Hope they do come up with something great, soon! Also they need an ID machine with an analog meter. A smaller and better packaged version of their excellent Toltec ll would be a nice addition to their lineup.I have owned a Toltec ll since they first came out with one in 1994. I have since owned a White's XLT, DFX and Explorer ll and compared their performance with the Toltec ll and found the high tech machines paled in comparison to the Toltec especially when compared side by side in the iron nails. Some people poo-poo the performance of the Toltec ll,saying that it is wimpy in the depth dept. I say nonsense, it is plenty deep if it is ground balanced properly and the sensitivity turned past the preset of 7 on the dial. The only digital machine I wished I would have held onto was the XLT, once understood (this was before the internet forums) it was deeper than my Toltec ll, but the Toltec ll would trounce it in the iron nails.

Yes, the new machine should have a simple swing needle analog meter, with a 0-100 VDI scale in the shape of a 1954 Ford PU speedometer, kinda like the shape of a quartered piece of pie. This meter must be accurate down to 10 inches on a dime. On the front panel of my dream machine it would have an on/off Sensitivity (battery check) knob, a Threshold knob, a Discrimination knob, and a 10 turn ground balance knob (that affects the motion disc. and all-metal modes). It would have the "Quiet Electronics" of the older ED120 machines, but with an ED 180 discrimination with the range expanded in the lower conductivity of adjustment. The new dream machine should also have more "gain" built into it, but not sacrificing stability. It would also include a true non-motion, threshold based All-Metal mode that is like the original Bandido in operation but with a trigger operated switch that is similar to the Tejon. If they would come out with something like what I described and weighed about 3 Lbs., I would buy one in a heartbeat! By the way I'm hanging on to my Toltec ll, and NOT holding my breath!

Randy

SO you are dreaming here, right? If the goal is to also sell such a dream detector, I doubt any maker wanting to be a "player" in the market will produce an analog detector. That smacks of cheapness in the digital age. Besides, whether a needle points to "75" or a VDI number reads "75" is moot. Whites MXT, for example, is about as basic as you would want, little better than the DeLeon in terms of the display information. Similar comments can be made about the Fisher F70. Both are excellent performers and where they shine is in the electronics.

And that will be Tesoros hurdle. Coming up with a new detector nowadays is all about the circuitry and finding a new wrinkle inside the box. Engineers with experience in the field suggest we should be able to see double the coils width in depth - if we can overcome the problems associated with the high gain needed to get there. But Im not sure Tesoro is aggressively luring new thinkers to the engineering department there in Prescott. Thats what it will take to get a new unit to market which gets people abuzz - new thinking.

I do agree with you that whatever they go to, they need to settle on a trigger switch, non-motion, threshold based All Metal mode. Whites got that one right a very long time ago - and it is one bit of imitation that ALL makers should get on board with.

As for the OP's orginal question - dont hold your breath on something earth shaking from Tesoro anytime soon. If I were to dream, I would like to see the Vaquero and Golden blended turned into a hybrid with tones.

 

[Hombre]

I happen to like analog metered detectors, I use and collect them. Not bragging or anything, but I am a muti-line user and have in my personal collection these analog merered machines: Tesoro Toltec ll, Toltec 100. In the White's I have a 5900 Di Pro SL (CB) 6000 Pro XL and the IDX Pro that does not count (LCD meter) In the Fisher corner I have a CZ5 plus a 1236X2 which also does not count, (no meter). I may be alone in my likes and dislikes, but I appreciate the subtle analog meter fluctuations compared to jumping number ID on the digital machines. Thanks for your input Dave! We can agree to disagree, thats what this forum is all about. HH and best regards.

Randy

PS: I don't think that an analog meter smacks of cheapness, I look at it as a sign of quality. I would much rather be looking at the speedometer of a big block 427 1965 Corvette than the digital speedometer on a new Corvette. The speedometer will read the same, but it is different, I guess I'm just old school, and of a dying breed.

 

[garwha]

Talking of cheapness on an analog meter, in today electronic world a digital meter is very cheap and a good analog meter cost about 10 times as much. What do I think of metered machines, they just talk you out of diggin good targets. Junk that is close to a good target will skew the ID # of the good target. The ID circuitry also slows the recovery speed of the machine as well. So watch out for those non metered Tesoros in the hands of an experienced user cause the are about to blow the doors of that metered machine. I have 7 detectors and 14 years hunting with a total of 17 detectors, and 5 of my current crop are non metered and 3 are Tesoros.

 

[Hombre]

Howdy garwha

I agree with ya, I use both kinds........... metered and non metered. The point I'm trying to get across is this, there is a place for metered detectors, manicured old house yards, nice and tidy courtyards etc. I use a metered detector like it did not have a meter, using the BEEP-DIG approach. Heck, I own more non-metered detectors than metered detectors. Not braging but I have 8 Tesoro non-metered detectors from my oldest Siver Sabre to my newest the Euro Sabre, plus a Fisher 1236X2. So........ol Buddy you are preaching to the choir here.

Randy

 

[rljehart]

This was around a year ago-- a "well known" dealer says they were in the R&D process of a HOT circuit target ID machine .

 

[dirt doctor]

This was around a year ago-- a "well known" dealer says they were in the R&D process of a HOT circuit target ID machine .

That would be very nice and I would jump on one of those in a minute .

H H ,
George

 

[dahut]

PS: I don't think that an analog meter smacks of cheapness, I look at it as a sign of quality. I would much rather be looking at the speedometer of a big block 427 1965 Corvette than the digital speedometer on a new Corvette. The speedometer will read the same, but it is different, I guess I'm just old school, and of a dying breed.

Have you driven a new Corvette? The experience may change your opinion

When we speak of these things, it isn't only the die hard cadre of detectorists Tesoro must think of. Certainly we loyal Tesoro-ists will consider anything new they bring out as good. But at some point, the company must consider bringing new buyers into the fold. The new buy is increasingly becoming "digital," as younger folks fill in behind us old geezers.
Its worth noting that many of us old timers, too, are techno literate and embrace some of the changes we encounter in the hobby as worthy. This is what I was referring to when I spoke of "cheapness."

When looking outside ourselves at trends in the business, its pretty certain that analogs are out. Personally, I didnt think the De Leon or Cortez, for that matter, were off the mark. Their one problem was the size of the display. Change that and they'd be on to something. Add manual or auto tracking ground balance in all modes and they would be up there with the rest of them.

 

[ChuckDiggin it in Florida]

Personally, I didnt think the De Leon or Cortez, for that matter, were off the mark. Their one problem was the size of the display. Change that and they'd be on to something. Add manual or auto tracking ground balance in all modes and they would be up there with the rest of them.

[size=medium]This was exactly how I felt about both of these![/size]

PS: I don't think that an analog meter smacks of cheapness, I look at it as a sign of quality. I would much rather be looking at the speedometer of a big block 427 1965 Corvette than the digital speedometer on a new Corvette. The speedometer will read the same, but it is different, I guess I'm just old school, and of a dying breed.

Have you driven a new Corvette? The experience may change your opinion

When we speak of these things, it isn't only the die hard cadre of detectorists Tesoro must think of. Certainly we loyal Tesoro-ists will consider anything new they bring out as good. But at some point, the company must consider bringing new buyers into the fold. The new buy is increasingly becoming "digital," as younger folks fill in behind us old geezers.
Its worth noting that many of us old timers, too, are techno literate and embrace some of the changes we encounter in the hobby as worthy. This is what I was referring to when I spoke of "cheapness."

When looking outside ourselves at trends in the business, its pretty certain that analogs are out. Personally, I didnt think the De Leon or Cortez, for that matter, were off the mark. Their one problem was the size of the display. Change that and they'd be on to something. Add manual or auto tracking ground balance in all modes and they would be up there with the rest of them.

 

[dahut]

Personally, I didnt think the De Leon or Cortez, for that matter, were off the mark. Their one problem was the size of the display. Change that and they'd be on to something. Add manual or auto tracking ground balance in all modes and they would be up there with the rest of them.

[size=medium]This was exactly how I felt about both of these![/size]

I actually liked theDeLeon I tried. I didn't see it was that much different than the MXT in its presentation of data and user controls, other than control presentation. I will always prefer controls on a rod mounted box, above the hand, as found on the DeLeon.

I also like the summation feature of the Cortez. I use a Fisher F70 which has a similar function called "confidence graphing." These things tell you how much of the signal fits the profile of a particular VDI range and those items which fall within it.
Of course anything that indicates at 4" or more in depth is exempt from accurate display information. That is a given for any detector.

Again, if the Tesoros had a manual or tracking ground balance function in the DISC mode, I might still have one now.

 

[Beale]

I run the DeLeon and also an X-Terra 70. I have not hunted as much with the DeLeon, only 3 times. I bought it for its simple use. I will for sure find the coins. Do I have more confidence in the 70? Yes but I got 2 1/2 years with it. If Tesoro would come out with a manual GB type DeLeon, I would snap it up, Beale.

 

[D&P-OR]

Aw that "new Tesoro detector comeing out" rumor has been going on for years (off & on).---There was even a "rumor" some time back that Tesoro had one (TID prototype) being field tested in Hawai OF ALL PLACES! ----Don't believe any of those rumors--Tesoro's "tight lipped" about it (as they should be).----I think ALL the detector manufacturers have read the same book on what to say when asked about an up-comeing new detector--which is--"we're always working on something". ----You can be sure of one thing though---when (if) they do come out with a new one--the thing WILL WORK!! ---------Del

 

[bluebirdk7]

good call, stick with the noise that comes through the headphones, you wont go far wrong. If Tesoro bring out another meter machine which i guess they may do to keep up with the big boys then count me out.

 

[Hombre]

n/t