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Anyone using a Makro Kruzer?
- Thread starter GlenOK
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EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
Totally agree with Kraemer. The more I use that combo on mine the more I like it. I first turned down the sensitivity some then upped the discrimination from factory 3 to 10 it really quieted it down.
bibelot
Member
It will work well, the target separation is extremely good on all of the Makro machines but the Multi Kruzer is my least favorite machine of the Nokta/Makro machines.
It might be just my machine but in my opinion, the three tone selection doesn't get the depth the other selections will provide. Ideally you want to keep the gain down to 89 and below for a quicker target recovery speed, 90 over you slightly lose stability and some of the recovery speed but you will gain depth. When you jump from 3 tones to 4 tones, it goes from running calm to becoming really sparky. I notch out 96-99 and it helps quieten the machine down, you can also disc out more but I personally don't like to go over 3 on discrimination. I just feel that the machine is more unrefined than a racer 2 or Anfibio from the three tone setting characteristics. Going from the red Racer, racer 2, three tones was what I was use to having for tone selection, racer 2 will generally run deeper than the Multi kruzer for depth in three tones. In my mind, I want the ability to demask targets and be capable of hitting a deeper missed target without having to customize my settings. That is why three tone selection on my Multi Kruzer will never get used but I am not always correct. The other thing is the headphones on the Kruzer are not as loud as the ones for my Multi anfibio or that I use on my racers. Again, It's a personal preference thing, hardy a problem for most people, it is just something that I have noticed and don't care for.
The next thing to consider is do you need constant maximum depth ? I say most definitely not ! In my limited experience, I have found the majority of my better finds were found quite shallow compared to those that were ever found when having been found deep. It's more about target separation, unmasking ability which these machines possess, finding areas within a area that was previously missed being hunted which is basically the same scenario that you will be facing from selection of places that you mentioned that you will be hunting.
In conclusion, I don't have decades of experience metal detecting, maybe I shouldn't post my opinion but I have had several machines from the ctx 3030 and on down but there is a reason I have kept the Makro machines. They have the uncanny ability to unmask targets in the trashy areas that I hunt.
It might be just my machine but in my opinion, the three tone selection doesn't get the depth the other selections will provide. Ideally you want to keep the gain down to 89 and below for a quicker target recovery speed, 90 over you slightly lose stability and some of the recovery speed but you will gain depth. When you jump from 3 tones to 4 tones, it goes from running calm to becoming really sparky. I notch out 96-99 and it helps quieten the machine down, you can also disc out more but I personally don't like to go over 3 on discrimination. I just feel that the machine is more unrefined than a racer 2 or Anfibio from the three tone setting characteristics. Going from the red Racer, racer 2, three tones was what I was use to having for tone selection, racer 2 will generally run deeper than the Multi kruzer for depth in three tones. In my mind, I want the ability to demask targets and be capable of hitting a deeper missed target without having to customize my settings. That is why three tone selection on my Multi Kruzer will never get used but I am not always correct. The other thing is the headphones on the Kruzer are not as loud as the ones for my Multi anfibio or that I use on my racers. Again, It's a personal preference thing, hardy a problem for most people, it is just something that I have noticed and don't care for.
The next thing to consider is do you need constant maximum depth ? I say most definitely not ! In my limited experience, I have found the majority of my better finds were found quite shallow compared to those that were ever found when having been found deep. It's more about target separation, unmasking ability which these machines possess, finding areas within a area that was previously missed being hunted which is basically the same scenario that you will be facing from selection of places that you mentioned that you will be hunting.
In conclusion, I don't have decades of experience metal detecting, maybe I shouldn't post my opinion but I have had several machines from the ctx 3030 and on down but there is a reason I have kept the Makro machines. They have the uncanny ability to unmask targets in the trashy areas that I hunt.
I've had the Racer, Racer 2 (which I still have), Impact, Multi Kruzer, and the Anfibio Multi. I bought the Multi Kruzer because it offered water proofing that the Impact didn't have. I also found the Impact had a number of Modes that I didn't use and it was heavier than the MMK. After getting the Anfibio, I found it to be heavier than the MMK and it didn't offer me anything I need in a detector that the MMK didn't have. I sold the Anfibio as it was the latest offering from Makro/Nokta and I knew it would bring the best price. I did like the Anfibio standard coil better than the MMK coil but I never use the standard coil on the MMK so it was an easy decision. My MMK is my go to detector for hunting Western ghost towns and sites loaded with iron. I have not found the MMK lacking in three town depth compared to the Anfibio or Impact. Three tone (gain 89 or lower) is definitely not as deep as the other modes but here in the West, ghost town coins can be found on the surface. It's all about separation. The MMK offers light weight, super separation, built in battery, wireless phones, waterproofing, backlight, iron volume, and much more.
As for the headphone volume, I think they are plenty loud for someone with normal hearing. At 65 years old with 40 years of riding dirt bikes and shooting guns even longer, I don't run the headphones at max volume.
When I want or need a large coil I use the Nox 800. When the site calls for a small coil, I use the MMK (yes I have the Nox 6" coil).
As for the headphone volume, I think they are plenty loud for someone with normal hearing. At 65 years old with 40 years of riding dirt bikes and shooting guns even longer, I don't run the headphones at max volume.
When I want or need a large coil I use the Nox 800. When the site calls for a small coil, I use the MMK (yes I have the Nox 6" coil).
bibelot
Member
GlenOK said:
I started with a Makro racer. I put a lot of time on it while learning, then I picked up a Racer 2, put more time on it, then I picked up a Multi Kruzer and started learning it.
The racer and the racer 2 programs are 2 tones, three tones, beach and deep modes so in beginning to learn the Kruzer, I stuck with what I was comfortable with which was three tones. The fact that I started basically through the winter, ground conditions are very conductive, then spring and more wet conditions followed. I chose to learn on an old carnival grounds, minutes from home, a lot of targets in the ground and for whatever reason high EMI but it is a place I can put time on learning the machine rather quickly. At least in my machine there is quite a difference between 3 tones and 4 tones in both stability and depth but apparently it must be only an isolated coincidence as no one else seem to have the same problems. Coming up from the original racer up and beyond to the anfibio, the Kruzer was the only machine that I notice a difference in depth from 3 tones to 4 tones when comparing to the anfibio ,since the racers did not have a 4 tone selection. I basically use 5 tones or 99 tones in the anfibio but it's just another step of progression of learning the machine, stemming from the original up to the latest and greatest......
Coin Rescue Inc
Well-known member
19-Khz is what I use in heavy iron-for Coins
Just reduce the Iron volume a bit so it does not drive you batty. Moving the coil actually quiets the chatter.
4 tone is for best depth. a High tone must be investigated.
Use the Lower Khz Frequencies in cleaner soil conditions.
Just reduce the Iron volume a bit so it does not drive you batty. Moving the coil actually quiets the chatter.
4 tone is for best depth. a High tone must be investigated.
Use the Lower Khz Frequencies in cleaner soil conditions.
bibelot
Member
4 tones is chirpy but it depends what you were used to using prior to moving to the Kruzer. If you were using a XP deus, you won't notice it, if your coming from a CTX where ground cancelling makes the thing run so super quiet, then it might become a little overwhelming until you get some hours on it. Don't think I was bashing the machine, it was not my intention, nor do I sugar coat it to justify my purchase.The headphone issue was solved, I re-paired them up again and all seems well. If I didn't think it was a capable machine, I would no longer have it, I certainly don't need as many machines as I have. In my opinion, they over achieved their goal on three tones, to make a blistering fast recovery speed program. I think they got it right in the anfibio as it is still unbelievably fast and can run a bit deeper at same stock settings when comparing the two machines in three tones. set your tones and tone break, I think 70 is on the kruzer, 80 on the anfibio but set your high conductors to highest setting and follow the high tone squeaks. After a while you will be better able to distinguish non ferrous from the ferrous. Darnell William's youtube videos are a great summary of what to look for. I don't agree with him on notch settings, notching 96-99. For whatever reason a peace dollar in my garden will get a clipped signal at his notching recommendation, notch 97-99 and you'll get a clear crisp signal. It shouldn't ring up that high but it does ,enough to clip the signal. As you raise the notch to 97-99 the ID will indeed bounce to 93-96 on occasion but my testing was done in clean garden test environment, unlike the grounds where he is hunting, so maybe it's not an issue in a real world hunting application.GlenOK said:
Got a Kruzer 14khz. Used it for first time last Friday at Old Park. Found my first silver with it, 1920 Mercury dime...Was in 7-8" range. Gave 77-78 ID numbers. I was in 4 tone with 80 sensitivity. A little noisy or sparky , but not to bad. Think I will like it. Very well built.....Like the meter , easy to see...rechargable batts and waterproof. And feels good using it, not to heavy. Lots of stormy weather here in Oklahoma so haven't been out again this week. Thanks everyone for your posts 
bibelot
Member
Yes Mercury dimes come in at 77 but can spike to 81 at times. a nickel will be steady at 28-29, don't seem to matter as long as it is a nickel . I dug a 1912 nickel the other day, strong 29. Don't know what they call them ?[attachment 367044 DSC04259.jpg]GlenOK said:Got a Kruzer 14khz. Used it for first time last Friday at Old Park. Found my first silver with it, 1920 Mercury dime...Was in 7-8" range. Gave 77-78 ID numbers. I was in 4 tone with 80 sensitivity. A little noisy or sparky , but not to bad. Think I will like it. Very well built.....Like the meter , easy to see...rechargable batts and waterproof. And feels good using it, not to heavy. Lots of stormy weather here in Oklahoma so haven't been out again this week. Thanks everyone for your posts
bigtim1973
Well-known member
bibelot said:Yes Mercury dimes come in at 77 but can spike to 81 at times. a nickel will be steady at 28-29, don't seem to matter as long as it is a nickel . I dug a 1912 nickel the other day, strong 29. Don't know what they call them ?[attachment 367044 DSC04259.jpg]GlenOK said:Got a Kruzer 14khz. Used it for first time last Friday at Old Park. Found my first silver with it, 1920 Mercury dime...Was in 7-8" range. Gave 77-78 ID numbers. I was in 4 tone with 80 sensitivity. A little noisy or sparky , but not to bad. Think I will like it. Very well built.....Like the meter , easy to see...rechargable batts and waterproof. And feels good using it, not to heavy. Lots of stormy weather here in Oklahoma so haven't been out again this week. Thanks everyone for your posts
That nickle is referred to as a "V" nickle for the Roman numeral 5 on the obverse side
The Digger
Member
I use an Anfibio Multi, and there is a huge difference in depth between 3 tone and 4 tone. I only use 3 tone when I am not concerned about depth, which is usually only when I'm hunting in rocky ground where I can't hardly retrieve a deep target anyway.
bibelot said:
3 tone mode on the MMK if set to sensitivity of 89 or lower will not have the depth of the other search modes as you've observed, and there's a good reason for this. Makro (now Nokta) set up the 3-tone mode with a hyper reactivity speed with sens 89 or lower so you can work in heavy iron where depth isn't the goal, but by speeding up the reactivity (at the expense of depth) will provide superb target separation and speed. 3-tone is also much more EMI resistant. Personally I prefer 4-tone, sensitivity in the high 90's with almost zero disc and iron audio set @ 1, it's been a killer combo at my worked out relic sites and I've dug some extremely deep coins that Explorers, F75, and other top notch detectors walked right over, like a 10"+ Spanish 1700's reale, and 10"+ deep seated dimes. Yes you're working in the noise, but that's where iron audio comes in and all the other tools they provided to tweak the audio to reduce audio fatigue.
Although I am down to only four detectors, I really only use two machines now, the Multi Kruzer and the Equinox 800, nothing I cannot hunt between the two of these detectors
