Anyone else run Zero Pro Zero Disc Iron On?

[Darkflight]

Try it!

It's what I run in the morning when my attention is fresh & I can stand all the input.

It is like running in All Metal. But the best distinction and reason I run it is the depth is better in my mineralized soil/freshwater beaches. And the "edge" of the tone is the key to finding the good targets deep. target ID is almost always off at depth. Iron has a distinct sound to the edge of the target and once you get an ear for it you don't need to even look at the screen in open areas with few targets like a beach. Small solid-Dig it up!.

You can avoid small iron bits but of course it is not advised for deep targets.

There is usually a rise in VDI when directly over the target & doing a sharp swing. If the VDI goes down it is probably Iron. But for really deep targets the sound is the key.

If I even add a 1 to the disc the tones change & garble. Downside to this setting is bottle caps. But I dig them up as a matter of pride & to clear targets. If you sneak the toe of the coil up on a garbled high coin tone & it gives low VDI-probably a cap.

I do use Pro custom with disc @22 for the beach & 33 iron off(on to check)for soil as my standard setting. But I find I'm using Pro Zero, Zero disc-iron on a lot nowadays & it is working for me.

I find in crowded areas you can detect all the "small solid" targets & watch the VDI for higher #'s than 30. Then do the shake over it to get a better VDI. If it raises-dig it. I've dug a lot of nickles this way. The vdi's were all over the place but the edge sound of the target was always sharper than the surrounding trash targets.

Anyone else using this method?

 

[Night Crawler]

That's the way I run my AT Pro as well Darkflight, Pro Mode - Zero Disc. - Iron Audio Off (Wide Open) more depth and a better "paint" on the target below.
I guess that's just what I'm used to running in now. VDIs don't do much good after about 7 or 8" deep, so I listen more than I watch at that point.

One thing I have seen posted here by more experienced AT Pro users, is the manual gb offset. I haven't tried that yet, so I am going to give that a go the next time I'm out and see how things react to it. Every little bit helps if it works out for my machine.

 

[ivanll]

Mine is always in Pro-Mode............had it inland countryside (bush) last week for a bit of prospecting.
Full Sens. No Disc. No Iron..........G B at 87-88......smooth and steady.

Resting in the shade is smart thinking.

From the dry hot inland to a wet and cool seaside..........reduced Sens. by 2-3 ..... G B offset 1or2 digits......First and last notch off..........but always in Pro-Mode.

ivanll

 

[William-NM]

I've been using this technique more lately in areas where I've made interesting finds and have done some cleanup. It's helped bring some deeper finds to light. I also try it early in the hunt, and use more discrimination after my brain starts twitching from signal overload.

Ivan - nice shot of those giant bunny rabbits!

 

[John-Edmonton]

I run zero in the woods, sports fields and water hunting. Places with not too much trash. I like to know where all the busy places are (lots of trash) so I slow down and carefully hunt them.

 

[samandnoah]

Darkflight-

You are saying Pro zero, zero discrimination, and iron audio ON, right? Plenty of previous discussions about why that's "no value/help", but I'm interpreting what you're saying is that it does help in terms of depth. Is that correct? Or is it that you believe it helps on the audio in terms of that leading edge audio? Or perhaps it is the interaction that enables discerning deeper targets.

Interesting since it isn't the way people typically think about using iron audio (and hence the usual response that it doesn't really help anything). Do you have a personal estimate of how much you believe that gains you?

Thanks for posting your observations and experience.

Rich

 

[Darkflight]

Yes-definitely Iron ON...

Makes a huge difference in the ability to hear the edge/tone & the saturation of the signal.


It helps it react to every signal individually in crowded areas. In open areas it helps gain depth & the ability to catch a signal farther away.

But it is typically a chore to mentally note where each individual is centered. But in crowded areas keeping an eye on the VDI helps you locate "possibles" to hover over & then locate the "solid" signal.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[togamac]

Darkflight,
No. I haven't run in Pro zero with zero disc and Iron on but I'm sure going to try it after your post. Hell, why not? I'm getting bored with my custom setting. I've been watching the VDI like a hawk, maybe it's time to concentrate on listening more, eh?
HH, mac

 

[Night Crawler]

Sorry about that Darkflight, I thought I read iron off.

Hmm, that's an interesting set-up. I am going to give it a go when I head out next week.

Thanks for sharing that DF.

 

[ecoast]

when I run pro zero, zero iron disc, and iron audio 'on', it will not sound on iron...

if I add ANY iron disc, and iron audio 'on' THEN it will sound...

So- I run pro zero, zero iron disc, iron audio 'off', and then I can hear it all...


I assume we are talking ATP and not ATG?

 

[Darkflight]

And in my area low conductors can go into the iron range with target ID. But the main reason I run it is the sound(s). Edge response-saturation -double blips-all important info you have on the 1st couple of passes. And if you have the disc on in any fashion you miss the halo signal that helps locate deeper targets.

You have to rely on your ear for deep targets like I said. Same target with Pro mode 22 disc & iron OFF is my other main setting. The disc would make it so I would have to be pretty close to directly over the target for a response. In the Zero Iron ON mode I get a larger response area-by a fairly large margin.

If I use 22 disc Iron ON the "garble" of the iron ID is not responsive enough on tone & frankly annoying. Telling good from bad at depth is much harder but I do catch the halo or response area more readily than with Iron OFF-but it is garbled & requires more work to get my dig/no dig info...

Edit to add..

I've tried switching between my setting in the crowded iron areas also-I just seem to be able to discern a non ferrous target amongst nails & trash like foil etc much easier when targets are very closely stacked. I have to watch the VDI # & anything over 40 gets my attention-then I try to get it to repeat-if so dig.


Maybe its my Tesoro upbringing-but I am very picky when it comes to response time/separation. And I've tried a BUNCH of good machines that didn't "click". The AT Pro-newest version I'd assume as I just got it a few months ago from Bart(Thanks!)@ Big Boy Hobbies. It is really a great machine and my collection is much more stagnant since the AT Pro arrived-it works very well for me.