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(Another) DFX or XLT question

The DFX became a one frequency detector for me also...15khz...that simply couldn't reach the depths of the XLT. If the majority of your detecting will be inland, certainly XLT. If your going to detect Beach 80% or more I'd say DFX. Even the MXT is out performing the DFX in our parts.
 
Nothing is definite about a replacement for the DFX. This is from the CEO of Whites. They are always working on new ideas so anything is possible , but for right now it's the DFX.
 
The dfx will give you 2 to 3 inches more depth on small copper and silver coins.Even more on the low end stuff like nickels.I had several XLT's starting with the first spectrum in 91.If it were close to the dfx I would have kept my last one.But the dfx will take some time to learn and needs to be programmed properly for better depth.DAve
 
Then your saying the DFX will hit on coins in 18" to 20" range, cause I certainly find old coppers and Silvers in the 12" to 16" range with the XLT. I tweaked and tweaked, and programed and programed, for 16 solid months with the DFX, with the same amount of experience, if not more in the Spectrum line that you mentioned, funny I didn't see the same results.

What really killed me on the DFX, was it couldn't dig a Civil War bullet past 12" no matter how you programed it, and I was well used to the XLT being able to reach them all day long 12" to 18".

Your right Dave Z ....Not close
 
I have a small park near me that I spent almost ten years cleaning out with the xlt.Got to the point where were no signals left over 6-7 down.I hadn't found an old coin in almost two years there.First day there with the dfx I was digging V,Shield and Buffalo nickels,all 7-10" deep.Deepest nickel I had ever found with the xlt was about 6".That alone made me forget the xlt and I had found a lot of nice stuff with the xlt.But it really isn't close to the dfx.The DFX just has to be programmed properly.Can't tell you about mixed mode settings.I don't use it,cuz I just don't get the same depth with it.Dave
 
This is a niggle of the dfx - the target id number "lock on" is not as good on the dfx as it is on xlt this i am certain off. No question about this its a fact. As for depth my own opinion is that on nickels DFX hits harder and deeper i agree with dave z %100 on this score. I have to admit i have not found any copper or silver coins deeper than i did with xlt, I think the dfx is real tetchy as it needs programming all the time for different sites to maintain depth. I am one who thinks whites could do better than the present dfx.
 
It is a very good ID detector and hits pretty damn hard on Nickols here in Texas. Accuratly ID every time 22 it's there. Only thing I notice was at 92degrees I notice a small line across screen until I changed the viewing angle adjustment is this normal? Checked it later when I got home and in cooler temps and it was not there!
 
Have to agree with Dave on this. After 3 years of using the XLT the first day out with the DFX I worked an old area that I had hunted frequently with the XLT and found Barber dimes and IH's at the 7-9 inch range that the XLT simply could not locate. And that was my first time out with the DFX. I sold the XLT a few weeks later. I really liked the XLT but have never been sorry for changing.
 
Pap,I have an old farm house with a small lawn,maybe 40'x80'.Went there with my dealer a while back.We both had XLT's and spent about two hours there.We found a few wheaties and that was about it.Never much thought about the site after that.Was driving by it one day about one or two months after buying the DFX.So I decided to give it a try,just to kill a few hours.Well to make a long story short,in about three short trips bacxk to the small lawn,I found about 20 IH's,5 Barber dimes,2 Barber quarters,A Flying eagle cent,2 Standing Liberty Quarters,A large cent,about a dozen V and shield nickels,a ring,3 dog tags from the early 1900's.another dozen early wheaties,a few seated dimes,etc.All were over 7" down.All were in or around some type of iron and ALL were missed by both my dealer and myself.I loved the xlt and it was great in its day,but it doesn't come close to the dfx.Dave
 
simply because it doesn't go as deep.Its geared to about 5-6" on coins and that's it.Go bury a dime at 7" and let me know how well your xlt locks on to it.I think you'll see what I mean.
 
I just recently started using the XLT and it is damn accurate at 6" but after that you better be listening to for faint sounds and run the sens as high as you can stand and the treshold as high as possible I have found out that is what I have to do but in trashy areas this is hard to do too! much falsing other than that good machine but I would still like to move up to the DFX someday! But for money and no more hunting that I get to do hard to Justify. right now
 
And again! The DFX will lock onto targets pretty well if you keep the sensitivity a little subdued matching the depth of the XLT. More power, more variation with the DFX. It's just the nature of the beast.
 
Especially since I seem to remember Dave Z, in the last year, learned to open up the discrimination for better results and announced the major change to his program....gee Dave just think if you knew then (XLT'n), and what you do now...hmmmmm still learning I see. Don't Bash what you don't understand.

All metal or Mixed Mode all metal is the true way to compare max depth of each, which I'm sure are close in comparison, and Dave Z prefers to use neither so how can he be our representation on depth results. I went outside and buried a dime at 10" and it loudly sounded a 79-81 VDI in Mixed Mode and I don't get the best performance in my yard, so whats that mean Z?

Don't get me wrong...Whites is #1 in my book...but after using both, and both being very similar in Pro Option settings....very little difference truly, I must rebut the statements made that the XLT isn't even close in performance...thats simply not true, and I will argue this until my mouse breaks.
 
the last time i buried a silver coin at 5 inches the xlt would not even give anything but a sputter off it , lets hope the dfx does better.
 
A Silver coin wouldn't sputter at 5" ???....what the....with the XLT ?

I'll say it again......... Single Discriminate Mode searching is the easiest way to hunt, but certainly not the deepest.

In your tests, try this with the XLT. Go to Relic mode and set AC-75,DC-50, PreAmp -2, and Mixed Mode "ON". A silver coin {tightly packed) should now respond at 8" to 10" or better....if not, better get your XLT checked out by a Doctor.
 
Coin and jewlery in factory pre set settings would be my first test. i can get 4 inches on a buried coin in my garden with the xlt. almost 5 inches with the dfx , not bad for pre set settings.
 
[quote Va Dave]Then your saying the DFX will hit on coins in 18" to 20" range, cause I certainly find old coppers and Silvers in the 12" to 16" range with the XLT. I tweaked and tweaked, and programed and programed, for 16 solid months with the DFX, with the same amount of experience, if not more in the Spectrum line that you mentioned, funny I didn't see the same results.

What really killed me on the DFX, was it couldn't dig a Civil War bullet past 12" no matter how you programed it, and I was well used to the XLT being able to reach them all day long 12" to 18".

Your right Dave Z ....Not close[/quote]

Old Dave Z pumps the hype on the DFX pretty hard. All and all the upper end White detectors are very good machines. I do believe the DFX is way over rated by many, don't get me wrong it is one heck of a detector when set up right. I had a DFX for a long time and spent many hours trying all the different programs for it. What I found in the long run is I got just as good performance over all with the XLT if not better. Also my MXT and the new M6 performed as well over all in my area without all the programing. The truth is I have found as much stuff with the old XL Pro I had as I did with the DFX and found the XLT, M6, and the old XL Pro to be more stable over all in general.

Your right ..... not close, considering the cost of the DFX.

Ultimately the detector that a guy feels best with is the one he should use.

Take Care All,
Bill G
 
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