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And we thought the new CTX 3030 was pricey

Those machines, like the ones that give a video "image", are very expensive and don't have the resolution as far as I know to see coin sized targets well if at all.
 
Actually the latest generation of ground penetrating radar units can see a coin sized object. Some even can see disturbed layers of earth. Like other techs it's moving forward at a high rate of speed and the units are getting smaller all the time.
 
Remember your brick phone from twenty years ago? Now there's the iPhone & Droids. Ten years or less and it will be available to us at a reasonable
price and have bucky ball sized resolution. That means the easy stuff may actually get hunted out, but the off the beaten path, ghost towns, military, and railroad sites
that you have to be shape to hike to will still produce. Just my opinion.

Jeff
 
There are still the usual issues that regular dectors have. Coins on end won't show an image. Coins under trash are going to still be invisible. Far as I know ground penetrating radar, just like VLF technology, as to have a clear line of site to see the item and not have it blocked by other things. Also, while they may be able to put it into a small hand held package for the hobby detectorist, I would question if it will get any more than a few inches of depth. Far as I know (maybe I'm wrong) that type of technology requires a lot of power to pulse signals into the ground, so for any kind of depth it'd probably have to big some pretty bulky equipment and also have a pretty large battery to run it. That's just my best guess though based on what little I've read about the technology. I could be wrong.
 
whoever gets there first with a small accurate unit stands to make some serious money ,not only from hobbyists but civil engineering uses as well. citys have tons of burried pipes and cables and nobody can be sure where they are without digging a rough hole by trial and error
 
There are several potential issues you guys are overlooking even if they can put this technology into a hand held detector sized unit but still retaining good target resolution on stuff as small as coins and rings, and also if it can address the power source issues to still get more than a few inches in depth in a light weight detector. Namely, let's say it can get coin/ring sized resolution....How is that any different than a VLF detector in terms of advantage. Far as I know ground penetration radar still can't see through metal objects, just like VLF, so masking would still be a barrier. Also, if the resolution is good enough to see fine detail, round tabs and other junk are still going to look like gold rings. And, coins are still going to look like any other coins as well as like bottlecaps and other round objects. So, in some ways, a VLF detector will still have more advantage I would think, as you can tell the difference between say since pennies, screw caps, and potential good old coin types on a VLF detector, while an image of something wrong probably will never be able to give you this kind of detail on targets.

Just some stuff to chew on...
 
I think you've missed the point that they already have, just for the military, not us. Modern plastic mines have very little metal and the pieces are very small. Trust me, there is lots of classified stuff that might surprise you.
 
High,
There is a German company that has been working on 3 D display metal detectors for many years.
If you are interested, check out their homepage:
http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/index.php?lang=en
They are not cheap though.
HH
skookum
 
http://www.okmmetaldetectors.com/products/rover-deluxe-new-edition.php?lang=en
 
My point is that even if they can put that kind of technology in a hand held detector, and even if it can get more than a few inches of depth without a massive battery, and even if it will have enough resolution to see coin sized targets...Then how is that exactly an advantage over using a VLF detector? A good detector will tell you the difference between a zinc penny, a bottle cap, or some other coin. I doubt the resolution, no matter how good, will be able to give you enough detail to tell coins apart, let alone bottle caps from coins and such. And, in terms of gold rings, I highly doubt there will be enough resolution to know much more than it's a round ring-like object, but not be able to tell if it's say a round tab versus a gold ring. I might be wrong and some day that kind of technology might exist on the consumer market, but even in the ultra expensive commercial market I don't think (?) ground penetrating radar, no matter how far advanced, can see tiny objects very well, let alone enough detail to know what the object is. It might be able to tell it's round, but I doubt you will be able to tell anything beyond that. If that's the case then I'd still rather have a VLF detector, because I can easily ignore zinc pennies, bottle caps, or other round junk, while looking for coins from say copper penny on up in terms of conductivity. And, as said, far as I know ground penetrating radar can't see through metal objects, so masking is still an issue just like it is for VLF. Now, as I said before, I'm in no way an expert on this stuff. I've just briefly read about it here and there over the years on the net. I could very well be wrong in the gist of what I *think* I know, so feel free to correct me.
 
The machine is both a VLF and a GPR in one handheld package. To a demining operator that will give him a whole lot of valuable information about whether that small signal he just got is a pull tab, a piece of trash or a plastic mine. That is huge. If you can't see where that type of mixture of information might be a big advantage in our hobby, although I doubt we can afford it, there isn't much more to say so I won't!
 
High,
Somebody or something severly changed the link I posted.
The company is called OKM.
Why the link was destroyed - I do not know.

skookum
 
I'd like to further quantify my post...From what little I've read, GPR can't even see a hole in something like a ring or a round tab, so in reality you only *might* be able to tell it's round, like ANY coin, a bottlecap, a round tab, a ring, and so on, but you still can't have enough detail to tell what it is, let alone if it's one type of coin or another. And, far as I know, even that kind of detail to see coin/ring sized objects enough in detail to know they *might* be round, is still limited to some very expensive and bulky (and power consuming) equipment. Just don't see it ever being as good as VLF in terms of telling targets apart, because VLF can derive target traits via conductivity, while GPR won't be able to do that, but only give a vague idea of size and rough shape, but again only in the most expensive/bulky forms of equipment. To be able to penetrate even more than a few inches way I read involves huge amounts of power, never likely to be in a hand held device. But, as said, I haven't read much on this, so I may very well be wrong. I just wouldn't hold my breath. After all, they've been saying for the last 70 odd years or so (roughly) that we'd all be riding around in flying cars. Yes, some things in technology do what you'd never have guessed, but still others are limited by the laws of physics and never do what we'd predict in advancement. Perfect example is VLF. Far as I've read it can only "see" one target, and that's the shallowest and thus first one to hit the detection field. That's why masking is a big issue. The field sees the shallowest thing first and then it's game over.
 
Hello critterhunter,
For the second time, my links were obscured/ I
 
http://www.kellycodetectors.com/okm/okmmain.htm

I've drooled over these things before. Sure would love to try one.
 
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