I 've been neglecting my Royal Sabre and the tone ID because my Silver umax is ED-120 and I'm afraid of missing gold rings. It seems like all I've added is a lot of small foil to my trash pouch. l have found many rings and except for ONE teeny ring they've all been in the foil range and totally detectable by the Royal in it''s min. disc. setting. Today I put the 5.75" coil on the Royal and decided to use it at school grounds and parks and reserve the Silver for tot lots. Hope I'm not missing much and would appreciate some encouragement from someone with quite a few ring finds. Thanks.
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Am I just too serious...?
- Thread starter slingshot
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Thanks, Sven. I know you're and experimenter AND tinkerer like myself. I have tried this before at ball fields and being the imperfect hunter I ended up finding coins that the other detector missed-back and forth. The only difference with the Silver umax and the Royal was the irksome small foil and such which kept giving the small "tics" and "blips" that were just right at the Royal's min. disc. setting. Since I only get a small time to hunt, the Royal is more fun to use-except in the tot lots. And I just think it would be a mistake to hunt in an area where all you have to do is shuffle the bark chips or gravel with your feet with anything but the lowest discrimination. I'm also going on the theory? that any ring worth a lot of money would at least be in the foil area.Sven said:
14 out of the 15 gold rings I got last season with the Golden Sabre II hit in the foil
area when checked with a target I.D. detector Slingshot. The other one was round tab.
I dig a lot of foil too. Set my discrimination at 2 most of the time. I have seen where I could
be missing some tiny gold items any higher. I have even been known to hunt with the discrimination
at 1. Probably am digging more than most but I don't want to miss any gold. Sure don't
want to think that my coil passes over gold and I can't hear it because I have my
discrimination too high. That's a bad thought. Good hunting to you !
area when checked with a target I.D. detector Slingshot. The other one was round tab.
I dig a lot of foil too. Set my discrimination at 2 most of the time. I have seen where I could
be missing some tiny gold items any higher. I have even been known to hunt with the discrimination
at 1. Probably am digging more than most but I don't want to miss any gold. Sure don't
want to think that my coil passes over gold and I can't hear it because I have my
discrimination too high. That's a bad thought. Good hunting to you !
Thanks, Gene. I may be to hard on myself with the disc issue. Went out today with the Royal to fine tune the tones where most tabs split the tone. A couple of soft,wavy tones with tabs at 5" kinda fine-tuned it for me. I was still getting SOME foil and the canslaw and the irksome pencil erasers. A nickel with a smooth low tone at 4" made me feel pretty good, too.Gene said:
Foil is tough to get rid of because it is right in the same class as the gold rings I am looking for.
I think you have to specialize as gold rings may cover such a wide range. Foil is the area I hit
hard. On the Golden Sabre II, with the notch off, the tone is higher above the notch and lower
below the notch. The trick is to get some of that can slaw and aluminum to give that high/low
tone mix. I mean right at the point where you get high and low tones together. The squawk is
what I call it. If your Royal does that it could save you a lot of aggravation. That's the higher
range and the places I hunt there is a ton of trash there. Eliminate most of that and you can spend
your time digging possible gold jewelry targets in the foil range. That's my theory anyhow.
Since you have no meter you have to try and get whatever information you can from what you
are using. Sometimes sizing a target helps too. Like you just know it's too big to be a ring or
it's longer that it's wide. I have a lot of ideas. Some of them are good and work for me.
Being a gold jewelry hunter takes a lot of determination. Much easier to be a coin hunter
I can tell you that. Good hunting to you ! Gene
I think you have to specialize as gold rings may cover such a wide range. Foil is the area I hit
hard. On the Golden Sabre II, with the notch off, the tone is higher above the notch and lower
below the notch. The trick is to get some of that can slaw and aluminum to give that high/low
tone mix. I mean right at the point where you get high and low tones together. The squawk is
what I call it. If your Royal does that it could save you a lot of aggravation. That's the higher
range and the places I hunt there is a ton of trash there. Eliminate most of that and you can spend
your time digging possible gold jewelry targets in the foil range. That's my theory anyhow.
Since you have no meter you have to try and get whatever information you can from what you
are using. Sometimes sizing a target helps too. Like you just know it's too big to be a ring or
it's longer that it's wide. I have a lot of ideas. Some of them are good and work for me.
Being a gold jewelry hunter takes a lot of determination. Much easier to be a coin hunter
I can tell you that. Good hunting to you ! Gene
You may have already tried something like this Slingshot, but here goes.
First you have to be wearing shoes with no metal in them. Put a nickel
on top of your foot under your sock. Now when you get a suspect target
in the nickel range compare it to that nickel on top of your foot.
Do it in the all metal mode and listen to the fade rate while swinging the
coil at a constant speed. The pencil ferrule signal will fade faster than the nickel.
and slightly faster than a thin gold ring. Sometimes you have to listen close to the
gold rings that are close to the pencil ferrule. Thought it was my imagination
when I first started doing this and such a thing isn't possible. Maybe this will work
for you too. I hope so. Worth a try. Maybe you can't positively I.D. a gold ring
but I would bet there are certain trash items that you can, at least most of the time.
Just playing the odds. Until they come out with a target I.D. detector that has a gold ring
icon I am sticking with this. Not perfect but it works good enough for me.
Good hunting to you Slingshot ! Gene
First you have to be wearing shoes with no metal in them. Put a nickel
on top of your foot under your sock. Now when you get a suspect target
in the nickel range compare it to that nickel on top of your foot.
Do it in the all metal mode and listen to the fade rate while swinging the
coil at a constant speed. The pencil ferrule signal will fade faster than the nickel.
and slightly faster than a thin gold ring. Sometimes you have to listen close to the
gold rings that are close to the pencil ferrule. Thought it was my imagination
when I first started doing this and such a thing isn't possible. Maybe this will work
for you too. I hope so. Worth a try. Maybe you can't positively I.D. a gold ring
but I would bet there are certain trash items that you can, at least most of the time.
Just playing the odds. Until they come out with a target I.D. detector that has a gold ring
icon I am sticking with this. Not perfect but it works good enough for me.
Good hunting to you Slingshot ! Gene
Thanks, Gene. I really don't mind those pencil ferrules - it's trying to make believe that I may be missing something because the discrimination is something more than ED-120. And getting rid of those tics' and blips on the hinky stuff-which is what the Royal does- makes it more enjoyable to hunt. That's a pretty cool idea of using the tone for other purposes than tabs. Thanks-and oh- my Royal will do that.
Not really, on the Royal. It's preset min. disc. is right at the point where it crackles on some smaller foil. Now the Silver umax IS right above iron nail rejection and thus the reason for the post. Also, the Silver has a motion a/m mode and the Royal has a true non-motion, a/m mode; albeit with a retune that is somewhat annoying. I went for too many years as a notch user and have just realized what I've probably been missing. Now I'm at a reverse point in life where I want to enjoy just being out and yet using my resources for the maximum return WHILE just enjoying the hobby. All together with matching the hunting to the discriminating to the site, I may learn yet.chuck said:
Never used the Royal but it sure sounds like a good machine to use Slingshot.
I am one that doesn't believe that you don't have to have the latest and greatest
to make nice finds, My thinking is weren't some of these older detectors very
good in their day. Did something in the ground change since then ? I hunt sports
fields and knowing what's on the top 4" say is very important to me. If I know
reasonably well what it is I am hearing in that short range I will come home with
some very nice jewelry. Have tried other detectors that go a lot deeper but it
seems the deeper you go the more difficult it is to know what your target is.
I will stick with the top 4" or so. It has worked for me for many years. The only
person I have to impress is me and I am impressed. My Golden Sabre II is one
fine sports field machine. I have the gold jewelry to prove it. I would bet that your
Royal is very similar Slingshot. Once you get a little more time trying out different
techniques it could just be your favorite detector of all time. I hope you start finding
all kinds of gold jewelry. Good hunting to you Slingshot ! Gene
I am one that doesn't believe that you don't have to have the latest and greatest
to make nice finds, My thinking is weren't some of these older detectors very
good in their day. Did something in the ground change since then ? I hunt sports
fields and knowing what's on the top 4" say is very important to me. If I know
reasonably well what it is I am hearing in that short range I will come home with
some very nice jewelry. Have tried other detectors that go a lot deeper but it
seems the deeper you go the more difficult it is to know what your target is.
I will stick with the top 4" or so. It has worked for me for many years. The only
person I have to impress is me and I am impressed. My Golden Sabre II is one
fine sports field machine. I have the gold jewelry to prove it. I would bet that your
Royal is very similar Slingshot. Once you get a little more time trying out different
techniques it could just be your favorite detector of all time. I hope you start finding
all kinds of gold jewelry. Good hunting to you Slingshot ! Gene