All Metal?

[knightsquad]

Hey guys, quick question.

When you get to a site and decide to run all metal do you just
simply go to Quickmask and hunt or do you actually have a pattern set and saved
in Users Patterns?
Using Quickmask would leave open one of your User spots for a more elaborate
pattern right?

Pete

 

[moonshine]

"all metal" is a blank pattern. most people leave quick mask "wide open" (blank, no black squares) so that is the "all metal" mode they are talking about. just lets you flip back and forth between your discrimination pattern and no discrimination. sometimes you just want to hear everything. although that does turn your discrimination off, so whatever metal reads the strongest is what youll hear. a lot of times this makes it easier though. just another tool to use to check things out before you dig.

 

[Goes4ever]

it is next to impossible to hunt in all metal UNLESS your using ferrous tones, if you have on conductive sounds and all metal, iron and silver will sound exactly the same.

Example an iron signal of 33-45 with SOUND exactly same as a silver signal of 12-45

so in order to hunt in all metal you will have to switch to ferrous tones, so that iron gives a low tone

 

[knightsquad]

Talking about on the beach..

Just asking if you would just go to the Quick Mask screen
in order to get to all metal and just stay there...

 

[Goes4ever]

whether on beach or not, iron will sound like silver in all metal. But yes quickmask gives you full open screen

 

[Andy Sabisch]

Moonshine is correct . . . . . All Metal on an E-Trac is simply a pattern with nothing rejected which is what you can accomplish with the Quickfind screen. This allows you to toggle between a pattern with something rejected to an open screen to check signals.

The two options are to hunt with an open or almost open screen in TTF (which some do not prefer simply as a result of the noise in trashy sites) or a well-constrycted pattern that eliminates most of the trash and accepts most of the goodies without the noise. ONe pattern that has been widely circulated is the one I posted after developing it in the original E-Trac design phase when I worked on the project with Bill paxton from CA.

The terminaology that Minelab uses tends to confuse users especially comeing from another brand and the pattern / All Metal discussion is one that has been swirling since the E-Trac was first released - and actually the same thing takes place with the Explorer's . . . . "Keep It Simple" as they say and the finds will come . . . it is a super detector that is really a lot easier to use than many people make it.

Andy Sabisch

 

[moonshine]

knightsquad: thats funny, since i hunt with the CO sounds, i responded as to what all metal means to me, and Goes4ever went the 2-tone FE sounds route. dont get confused by the two answers. typically when people say theyre "running all metal" they probably are using 2 tone ferrous like goes said. unless they are relic hunting and truly want to hear EVERYTHING thats in the ground. so theres several different ways to "use" an all metal pattern, like Andy Sabisch says above.

 

[knightsquad]

I understand, Thanks!

Don't even own one yet but reading everything I can about it, even using
that emulator which is pretty awesome!
Still chomping at the bits to get one.... pretty soon though! ; )

 

[knightsquad]

I'll most definitely purchase your book Andy cause there are a few questions
I have about all the different settings as far as 2 tone, 4 tone, Multi etc etc..

Maybe I'm reading to much and getting myself confused.. LOL

Is there a post some where that explains it with easy to read understand text?

Sounds like it all boils down to what sounds you prefer from the different metals correct. Cond/Ferr

 

[Ohio Digger]

I understand, Thanks!

Don't even own one yet but reading everything I can about it, even using
that emulator which is pretty awesome!
Still chomping at the bits to get one.... pretty soon though! ; )

Where do you get the emulator at? I found a link from a YouTube video that goes to Minelab's website but that part of the site wasn't working. Do you have a link you can post here or PM me?

 

[Andy Sabisch]

Here you go . . . . . scroll all the way to the bottom of the page

E-Trac Emmulator

Andy Sabisch

 

[Ohio Digger]

Hmm, maybe I'm doing something wrong. I've tried downloading/running it twice but it keeps saying the file is corrupt and was downloaded with errors??

 

[knightsquad]

That's weird, mine worked perfectly..

What is Smart Find and is it on the Emulator?

 

[moonshine]

smart find is just jargon. its the screen with the crosshair and numbers. thats the "smart find" screen.

 

[knightsquad]

Oh, OK,, lol

smart find is just jargon. its the screen with the crosshair and numbers. thats the "smart find" screen.

 

[moonshine]

edit: (i reread the manual, i should be more specific)

the smart find screen is the screen that graphically shows the discrimination pattern, with areas either "open/allowed/white" or "blacked out/discriminated aginst". the smart find screen is that area only, not the numbers.

 

[Samuel_Champlain_FTW]

Download the UK Roman Site Pattern from the Minelab site. You'll have to modify it a slight tad ... but it's a great pattern if you'd like more of an open screen.

 

[knightsquad]

Got it!
I thought maybe there was another screen
For checking targets!
Thanks Shine!
Speaking of Shine: haha
Do you brew too? ; )

edit: (i reread the manual, i should be more specific)

the smart find screen is the screen that graphically shows the discrimination pattern, with areas either "open/allowed/white" or "blacked out/discriminated aginst". the smart find screen is that area only, not the numbers.