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Advice on using t2 small coil
- Thread starter brianc577
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go to youtube and put in Top Tip: Hunting in iron with The T2 "Classic" and i done real good with this setting it by bill ladd discriminate at 21 two plus tone used it yesterday at a site i had already hunted before ,pulled out alot of stuff where i had already been,so this is a really great setting hope that this helps,so go to Youtube and watch the video.
The small coil handles EMI best, but you can over drive it in scrap. Try various SENS levels and don't be afraid to see how it still picks out targets in lower settings. Backing off on power may seem like leaning into a punch, but it helps zero in between trash. We are programed to want depth and so seek high SENS settings, but in trash it can work against you. You can go back later and crank up the watts after you clean out the shallows. Give it a try! You have a great machine!
The 5'' coil is a very underated coil in my mind,when i am detecting on a very trashy roman site i find the only detector that will still pull the decent finds out is the T2 and the small coil,for its size its a pretty deep coil,its like having a Laser beam on the end of detector,for real roman trashy sites i cannot think of a better detector/coil combination that will work in between the iron,possible my Laser B3 with my 4'' Concentric coil but i think it lacks the depth that the T2 combination offers.
I dont have any of the fancy versions of the T2 mine is just the original Classic version,its also found me alot of decent finds and gold coins over the years including Celtic gold staters and Viccy Sovereigns,also another bonus is the overall machine weight is featherweight and can be swung all day long,a great help especially if you have some sort of health issues.
I dont have any of the fancy versions of the T2 mine is just the original Classic version,its also found me alot of decent finds and gold coins over the years including Celtic gold staters and Viccy Sovereigns,also another bonus is the overall machine weight is featherweight and can be swung all day long,a great help especially if you have some sort of health issues.
You can ask for settings, and it depends on what we like, for what type of site, for how much trash there is, and if it is mainly ferrous or non-ferrous type trash. Naturally, it also makes a big difference on the age era of the site, and more importantly what it is we are searching for. So let me share my thoughts and opinions of the fresh-release 'Classic' T2, with 5" DD coil, and settings I prefer for places I like to hunt.
First, let me tell you that this new T2 release is more stabile and 'locks-on' much better than the older Green T2's I owned. I really like it.
Second, I might use the stock 11' BiAxial search coil a time-or-two throughout a year, but it won't be often because I prefer smaller-than-stock search coils and have for the bulk of the 50+ years I have been enjoying this great outdoor sport. Therefore, the 5" DD coil is likely to stay mounted full-time for at least 98% of my T2 detecting, if not 100% of it. An excellent explanation of why is simple: I hunt densely littered sites; I hunt iron infested sites; and the T2 w/5" DD definitely gets the job done with more-than-ample depth potential when the masking trash targets are more spaced apart.
Third, the T2, 'original' or 'Classic' release, provides several different and useful Tone ID options we can choose from, and quickly shift between, if desired, while we are detecting. It also offers very good Discrimination control to let us 'fine-tune' the Discriminate setting we desire. The way I prefer to hunt I use one of two Discrimination settings with the T2. If I want to "hear-it-all" then I set it as the default '10', then I rely on the audio Tone ID to help 'classify' targets by conductivity so I can audibly ignore iron-type targets. I'll know they are present, however, and that allows me to cautiously work the little coil around the offending iron to try and isolate any potential non-ferrous target.
Otherwise, if the amount of iron nails is extreme and I start to get mental-overload from hearing them, then I bump the Discrimination up to the level where I just barely reject the iron nails. That is often somewhere from about '23' to '26' which allows me to still hear some of the iron present and work around it for potentially-masked keepers, but not have to hear all the iron nails all the time. I never use more Discrimination than just enough to barely reject problem iron nails.
Fourth, I can't tolerate the noisy and inconsistent multiple-tone DeltaPitch audio Tone ID. I do like to hear a suggestion that a target might be ferrous-based, and my main decision is whether I want to have a VCO audio for non-ferrous targets ([size=small]in a somewhat sparse-target area)[/size] or rely on a more processed 3 or 4 Tone ID audio. In the trashy ghost towns, homesteads and such I prefer to hunt, where many areas have a dense iron trash presence, I favor the '3' Tone ID generally, and sometimes change it up to '4' Tone ID. When there is more open area between targets, I find the '2+' Tone ID to work fine.
Fifth, I rely on my learned skills more than the detector features, and I will investigate all targets that produce an 'iffy' to 'very good' audio response. I might occasionally glance at the visual Target ID and VDI numeric read-out, but that's not always, and I never allow the visual response to be the determining factor on whether I will recover a target or not. I just go by the audio response combined with the Tone ID used.
• Be patient!
• Work the search coil with a slow, methodical sweep. Do not sweep fast when in dense iron trash conditions.
• Remember that the audio and visual Target ID and Tone ID perform at their best when you are sampling a single target, in an ideal position, and without any nearby metal target. You are hunting for an unknown object that could be in a varied position and relationship to the EMF, and when hunting in any trashy site, especially iron debris, you have the added problems of the influence of one or more nearby targets that can, and will, have a negative effect on the EMF and mess up the best-case TID response of a desired target.
In short, all this means is DO NOT use or rely on any visual TID or numeric VDI read-out. Keep in mind that when dealing with close adjacent targets the audio Tone ID can also be altered or mixed just like a jumpy or inconsistent visual Target ID. The only way to know what you've found is to recover it and take a look. Only you can see what is a good or bad target. Use the detector/coil performance to get a good or 'iffy' audio response and investigate from there.
The biggest problems I see when I have been on any group outing to an old town site, a military or pioneer encampment, stage stop, old recreation site, etc., is that too many people make the same mistakes and then get frustrated at a lack of success compared with others. Sometimes they blame it on their detector and, at times, they ought to, but that's because they made a wrong choice in what to use for the environment they are hunting. The same goes for search coil selection.
I see people use bigger size search coils in heavily littered sites.
I see them use long coil sweeps and at a very fast sweep speed, and this also causes them to not overlap for effective site coverage.
You can generally see them keep a constant watch on their visual display, waste a lot of time resweeping a target from different directions to try and make it tell them it is a good target, then walk away when it doesn't.
Often I see people scrubbing the coil on the ground which causes some performance loss, and inconsistent sweep due to the friction and interrupted sweep, and more overloading issues.
Another error I see made is when people walk away from a target that only produced a one-way response, thinking that, or misbelieving what they have heard, that a one-way response is an indication of a probable trash target. That is very untrue.
Anyway ..... please pardon my long reply of an "easy answer" but I guess that's just me. Use that wonderful T2 w/5" DD coil, keep the Discrimination as low as you can tolerate, pick the audio Tone ID that you prefer and that is most helpful to audibly 'classify' targets, then use a slow and methodical sweep speed. Overlap, and listen for any potentially good target response, strong and repeatable or iffy and inconstant. Target masking causes a lot of good targets to be ignored and left behind. And finally ... be patient.
Monte
First, let me tell you that this new T2 release is more stabile and 'locks-on' much better than the older Green T2's I owned. I really like it.
Second, I might use the stock 11' BiAxial search coil a time-or-two throughout a year, but it won't be often because I prefer smaller-than-stock search coils and have for the bulk of the 50+ years I have been enjoying this great outdoor sport. Therefore, the 5" DD coil is likely to stay mounted full-time for at least 98% of my T2 detecting, if not 100% of it. An excellent explanation of why is simple: I hunt densely littered sites; I hunt iron infested sites; and the T2 w/5" DD definitely gets the job done with more-than-ample depth potential when the masking trash targets are more spaced apart.
Third, the T2, 'original' or 'Classic' release, provides several different and useful Tone ID options we can choose from, and quickly shift between, if desired, while we are detecting. It also offers very good Discrimination control to let us 'fine-tune' the Discriminate setting we desire. The way I prefer to hunt I use one of two Discrimination settings with the T2. If I want to "hear-it-all" then I set it as the default '10', then I rely on the audio Tone ID to help 'classify' targets by conductivity so I can audibly ignore iron-type targets. I'll know they are present, however, and that allows me to cautiously work the little coil around the offending iron to try and isolate any potential non-ferrous target.
Otherwise, if the amount of iron nails is extreme and I start to get mental-overload from hearing them, then I bump the Discrimination up to the level where I just barely reject the iron nails. That is often somewhere from about '23' to '26' which allows me to still hear some of the iron present and work around it for potentially-masked keepers, but not have to hear all the iron nails all the time. I never use more Discrimination than just enough to barely reject problem iron nails.
Fourth, I can't tolerate the noisy and inconsistent multiple-tone DeltaPitch audio Tone ID. I do like to hear a suggestion that a target might be ferrous-based, and my main decision is whether I want to have a VCO audio for non-ferrous targets ([size=small]in a somewhat sparse-target area)[/size] or rely on a more processed 3 or 4 Tone ID audio. In the trashy ghost towns, homesteads and such I prefer to hunt, where many areas have a dense iron trash presence, I favor the '3' Tone ID generally, and sometimes change it up to '4' Tone ID. When there is more open area between targets, I find the '2+' Tone ID to work fine.
Fifth, I rely on my learned skills more than the detector features, and I will investigate all targets that produce an 'iffy' to 'very good' audio response. I might occasionally glance at the visual Target ID and VDI numeric read-out, but that's not always, and I never allow the visual response to be the determining factor on whether I will recover a target or not. I just go by the audio response combined with the Tone ID used.
And then, for the best 'Advice' I can offer anyone who hunts any site that has a lot of closely-spaced targets, and especially those who are trying to deal with iron-type trash, is this:brianc577 said:
• Be patient!
• Work the search coil with a slow, methodical sweep. Do not sweep fast when in dense iron trash conditions.
• Remember that the audio and visual Target ID and Tone ID perform at their best when you are sampling a single target, in an ideal position, and without any nearby metal target. You are hunting for an unknown object that could be in a varied position and relationship to the EMF, and when hunting in any trashy site, especially iron debris, you have the added problems of the influence of one or more nearby targets that can, and will, have a negative effect on the EMF and mess up the best-case TID response of a desired target.
In short, all this means is DO NOT use or rely on any visual TID or numeric VDI read-out. Keep in mind that when dealing with close adjacent targets the audio Tone ID can also be altered or mixed just like a jumpy or inconsistent visual Target ID. The only way to know what you've found is to recover it and take a look. Only you can see what is a good or bad target. Use the detector/coil performance to get a good or 'iffy' audio response and investigate from there.
The biggest problems I see when I have been on any group outing to an old town site, a military or pioneer encampment, stage stop, old recreation site, etc., is that too many people make the same mistakes and then get frustrated at a lack of success compared with others. Sometimes they blame it on their detector and, at times, they ought to, but that's because they made a wrong choice in what to use for the environment they are hunting. The same goes for search coil selection.
I see people use bigger size search coils in heavily littered sites.
I see them use long coil sweeps and at a very fast sweep speed, and this also causes them to not overlap for effective site coverage.
You can generally see them keep a constant watch on their visual display, waste a lot of time resweeping a target from different directions to try and make it tell them it is a good target, then walk away when it doesn't.
Often I see people scrubbing the coil on the ground which causes some performance loss, and inconsistent sweep due to the friction and interrupted sweep, and more overloading issues.
Another error I see made is when people walk away from a target that only produced a one-way response, thinking that, or misbelieving what they have heard, that a one-way response is an indication of a probable trash target. That is very untrue.
Anyway ..... please pardon my long reply of an "easy answer" but I guess that's just me. Use that wonderful T2 w/5" DD coil, keep the Discrimination as low as you can tolerate, pick the audio Tone ID that you prefer and that is most helpful to audibly 'classify' targets, then use a slow and methodical sweep speed. Overlap, and listen for any potentially good target response, strong and repeatable or iffy and inconstant. Target masking causes a lot of good targets to be ignored and left behind. And finally ... be patient.
Monte
CoinHunter2
Member
Monte, You couldn't have said it any better.