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Ace 250 - Question answered on depth. No punches pulled.

K

khouse

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Here me out. The Ace 250 will not correctly ID a deep tab! That's right. I dug a hole 4 feet deep on a soft but repeatable signal only to find a stinkin tab! Ok, it did beep. Well now come to think of it - 4 feet is pretty good depth. Yes, I think I will keep the 250.
While I was down in the hole I decided to repair my broken water main. It was 10 degrees with 1 inch ice today. That's when my main decided to break. I think I'll warm up by looking at the Beach forum!
 
I was going to name my post (John- Edmonton, I can dig in the cold too) Anyway what a crappy job. I woke up this morning with no water. Looked outside and saw this gusher coming out of my ground. What else to do but start digging! Wish I had a backhoe!
 
So, you didn't actually break the fitting, you just played with the <img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b330/John-Edmonton/SMILY20250.jpg"> to help find the leak. Again...great story! Those kinds of posts really keep this forum hopping!

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Dang what a bummer. I wouldn't have envied you that job in any kind of weather. We still got about six on the ground and steady freezing weather. Portland has been "accident city" the past two days.

Bill
 
Good morning Kenny, I have been wondering how deep the ground is frozen under the ice and snow here in central Missouri? I guess I have not been interested enough to chop though the ice and find out but I thought maybe you would share that information with me and I could quit wondering and still not have to dig a hole in the ice and frozen ground.:happy:

Kidding aside, sorry for your water problems it seems like those kind of things always happen at the worst times.

Rick
 
Rick,
The ground is frozen down about 4 inches is all. I'm just about 20 miles due east of Lee's Summit. My water line is 3/8 mile long. When it gets really cold or hot the ground moves just a little and it pops the PVC couplings. When I repair the pipe I use a compression repair coupling that will let the pipe move. So far I have repaired the pipe around 6 times in 14 years. It's never a good thing.
 
WOW 4 inches, I am surprised. I thought that the ground cover might keep the ground warmer. Oh well I guess I will have to wait for spring to confirm this research I have been doing.

On a side note, this post has made me think about how the freezing and thawing of the soil moves objects up and down. For instance, if the ground moves enough over the span of 15 to 30ft (the length of 2 pieces of pvc pipe) to pull the joint apart I wonder if this reflects an up or down movement of an object of several inches.

I hope that makes sense, just a random thought.

Rick
 
I have seem PVC placed in a ditch here in Fl. in the hot sun. When they came the next morning to finish the job, it had pulled a part. It wasn't even close to being able to put together.
I never thought compression fitting would allow movement. If you put expansion joints in the line, it should alleviate the problem.
 
The compression couplings have rubber ferrels that allow for movement. The first 4 repairs I used telescopic fittings with o-rings. I have had to replace 2 of them for leaking. So that's when I switched to the compression couplings.
 
The PVC couplings split right in the middle. When I dig them up there is a 1/4 inch crack. My water line runs right down the center of my driveway. There is really no cover and may let the ground freeze deeper there. I would be happy to dig in the grass for the frost line if you need the info for your studies.
 
I bet you are right, the bare ground may well freeze deeper quicker. Thank you for your kind offer to check the frost depth of the ground where there is some cover. However, since my research and studies relate to a civil war camp and my interest in the frost line is just me wondering about the next time I can get out metal detecting without a pickaxe it would be asking way too much.

Sorry if my posts were misleading, sometimes I am not as clear as I should be.

Rick
 
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