a question to two gun beale:ausflag:

[blowfly1967]

i know you have both of these detectors,from your posts,the x70 and the vaquero.i have where i live another gentleman that swings the x70. he finds on average thirty to forty dollars at a time, i find ten to twelve if i'm lucky.he swings fast ,i swing slow. he covers more ground than i do.so which is t he better detector in your eyes. i like the vaquero,but you have both ! blowfly hh

 

[Monte]

i know you have both of these detectors,from your posts,the x70 and the vaquero.i have where i live another gentleman that swings the x70. he finds on average thirty to forty dollars at a time, i find ten to twelve if i'm lucky.he swings fast ,i swing slow. he covers more ground than i do.so which is t he better detector in your eyes. i like the vaquero,but you have both ! blowfly hh

[size=large]Obviously I am not who you asked for, but let me share my thoughts, if you don't mind.

I believe you're referring to the X-Terra 70, correct? I know a fellow who still used the Challenger X-70 and X-80 that are old Compass models so I just wanted to be sure. Those older models are based on a 4-filter, fast-sweep design. They didn't work well with a slower sweep speed.

Now, in your post you made us hunters envious that you can find the dollar value in and that we can't. I'm sure many wish, as I do, that we could dump our $1 paper in favor of more coins.

Anyway, to compare the use of the X-terra 70 to the vaquero, there are a number of reasons why one or the other of you might be finding more .. or less ... than the other. One is the simple fact that if he is covering more ground, he's more likely to encounter a good target. However, depending upon the ground mineral conditions, the X-Terra 70 and Vaquero are both a 2-filter, slow-motion design and too fast of a sweep can have a negative impact on performance.

Another thing is that, perhaps, he is digging less typical trash and this means more dig-time is devoted to coins and that might be because he's using the visual Target ID whereas you're recovering more trash targets and spend less time going after likely coins.

A third factor might just have to do with other techniques or skills and have nothing to do with the particular detector in hand. As an example, I hunt with a couple of friends, Chris & Aundrea Larson, and we all use a White's Classic model. Chris the Classic 5-ID w/8" coil, Aundrea the Classic ID w/6

 

[markg]

Is the Tejon a slow sweep machine?
If so, how slow do I need to go?
Of the two all metal modes on my Tejon which should I use to hunt your style?

 

[Beale]

i know you have both of these detectors,from your posts,the x70 and the vaquero.i have where i live another gentleman that swings the x70. he finds on average thirty to forty dollars at a time, i find ten to twelve if i'm lucky.he swings fast ,i swing slow. he covers more ground than i do.so which is t he better detector in your eyes. i like the vaquero,but you have both ! blowfly hh

Hey blowfly yes I do swing both. I will be honest with you. For just coinhunting the X-70 is a hard machine to beat. The VID does a great job of letting me know what I am digging before hand. Yes it can and does fool me but still I dig less trash with it than I do my Vaquero. I have owned the X-70 for a bit over a year and really enjoy it. Now with all that being said there are drawbacks. I found myself letting the dector tell me when to dig. By this I mean I was "cherry picking". I was not digging all signals, not even trying to. Their were days when I would get lazy and only dig dimes and quarters. I could reject all other signals and do this easy. This was the main reason for my buying the Vaquero.

With the V I decide when I dig. I dig a bunch more trash with it. I dig a lot more iffy signals with it. I love it in tot lots, and old home sights. I have dug some very nice older silver with it. I also dig more nickles with it. In the US a Nickle hits right about where gold hits. I was not digging many nickles with the Minelab. I dig a bunch of nickles with the V. That is a good thing because it means better chances at gold. One week after buying my V I dug a 21K ring with the V. Would I have dug it with my X-70, I hope so but do not know.

I like both machines. The X-70 is a great coinshooter. The V is deeper right out of the box. I think both have their places. I like using both equally well, Beale.

 

[trueblue]

I have been hunting totlots and ghost towns regularly with my mate he uses Minelabs X terra 70 and has a lot more expierence than myself , I use the Tejon .....sure the TID comes in handy he knows his target most the time and that saves him some dig time no doubt , but at the end of the day we always end up with roughly the same quality finds every time , the last time we went tot lot'n over 3 hrs our combined total was $68 I dug $32 of that total
We check each others targets quite a bit to compare signals ect and have found that the dig to no dig ratio is pretty even if he aint digg'n it due to the TID I aint digg'n it due to the poor audio response , one thing Ive noted forsure is that the Tejon is the better pinpionted of the two detectors no doubt about that .. even though the weight of these 2 dectectors is about the same the Tejon feels lighter and more comfortable to use due to being better balanced , this is agreed by both of us .
anyway they are both great dectects

"HH"

 

[Monte]

Is the Tejon a slow sweep machine?

[size=large]... Yes. I know people talk about how they can sweep fast, and in some ground environments you can, but technically it is a 2-filter type slow-motion discriminator.[/size]

If so, how slow do I need to go?

[size=large]... That will be determined by the ground mineralization, the coil in use, and the volume of trash at the site. If it is just 'average' or 'typical' park hunting conditions, something like a 4'side-to-side sweeping taking 2 seconds or maybe a little longer. Count one-thousand-one, one-thousand-two as you sweep side-to-side. Some applications will let you work it a little faster, and some definitely call for a slower sweep.[/size]

Of the two all metal modes on my Tejon which should I use to hunt your style?

[size=large]... I frequently hunt in a true, threshold-based All Metal mode so as to hear any target I might sweep close to, but not directly over. However, when hunting in a very mineralized pea gravel or black sand beach/volleyball court type setting, I generally hunt in the silent-search, slow-motion, all metal accept Discriminate mode.

Monte[/size]

 

[blowfly1967]

monte,i'm sorry to hear that you don't have $1 and $2 coins to hunt like we do, we 've gotta have a little edge somewhere .heh heh heh,and once again thanks for the info.d sleep with your computer or you have staff to to take dictation and send the posts you sound a bit like the compadre ,a little bit does more.

 

[blowfly1967]

beale thanks for the honest responce ,it seems i'm always asking for help and information from over there and getting it. hh blowfly