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A Merc and Five Wheats

hatpin

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The last four or five times I have ventured to the woods at the local park I did not do well , finding only one 1951 wheat cent . Today was a nice mild day so I decided to go in there and fight the thick brush . I cant do this when its hot , its suffocating .



I set the Vaquero with stock coil to minimum discrimination , threshold at 1 o'clock sensitivity at 10 and burrowed inside . What makes this area double tough is there are a lot of rusty cans to work through . The first coin I found was a 1941 Mercury dime . I was almost certain it was going to be a silver dime . It had that mellow sound and did not disc out but it did get quieter as I thumbed the disc up .It was about five inches down . All five of the wheats had a very faint signal and disc out around tab . I was hoping they were dimes too . They all came about 7 inches deep and all were dated in the 1940's . It made no difference where they discriminate out at , when I hear that faint mellow tone, its going to get dug . Thats the good thing about the Vaquero , deep coins have a sound to them that most junk doest .



Here is the sum total that I removed in that patch .

 
Great going hatpin on the coins. I know exactly what your dealing with there on the brush, I have a regular spot that is loaded with underbrush that sometimes get on my knees and tilt the coil flat and scrub up under them. It has payed off more than once for me but I got to be in the mood to deal with it. Another note about the Vaquero modulation makes it a different tool that is so useful for certain places. I found a new site to hunt that was built in early 1800's. I found modern coins here that are very deep from only the 1960's the ground is very fertile farm land. I took the Outlaw but and taking the V next to see if I can hear some more faint signals to get down to better depths maybe where older coins may lurk and ignore some of the louder signals as first just to get a feel for the site. The Outlaw just doesn't have the modulation as good as the Vaquero.
 
Nice going :thumbup: .

I've spent enough time at sites like that and the pictures never give the true diligence of how hard it is to hunt in that under brush.
 
I can usually tell the rusty cans by hitting the pinpoint button. I dig the ones that sound weird . Weird sounds sometimes will be something cool . Also I might hear two targets close together and need get the can out of the way .
 
hatpin said:
Tone Time , pardon my ignorance but I dont know what modulation means .

The sound variation as the object is closer or further away from the coil, going from louder to softer tone. It may not be the right word or could be spelled wrong but that is what I always called it.
 
ToneTime said:
hatpin said:
Tone Time , pardon my ignorance but I dont know what modulation means .

The sound variation as the object is closer or further away from the coil, going from louder to softer tone. It may not be the right word or could be spelled wrong but that is what I always called it.

Gotcha . Volume and quality along with where and how a target disc out is where my machine shines .I'm a thumber . I still dont get those super deep coins that others report . Maybe if I supertuned more and run the machine slightly negative would do it ., but then I dont think it would have the same sound quality .
 
Great finds, if I tried to hunt a spot like that right now I'd most likely end up finding a snake of some kind.
 
Awesome finds with the V!!!! Congrats
 
Nothing really better than having a fun time doing what we enjoy.


hatpin said:
The last four or five times I have ventured to the woods at the local park I did not do well , finding only one 1951 wheat cent . Today was a nice mild day so I decided to go in there and fight the thick brush . I cant do this when its hot , its suffocating .
When I am into any older period site and pull a wheat-back, I know there's the potential for silver. When I lived in the big city I picked on the older parks and hunted a lot in the brushier and overgrown areas. Places the average hobbyist ignores.


hatpin said:
I set the Vaquero with stock coil to minimum discrimination ...
On the Vaquero & Cibola, that is below the ED120 Disc. minimum so you'll get more iron targets at that setting.


hatpin said:
... threshold at 1 o'clock ...
The position description doesn't mean much because it can vary from unit to unit, and whether the knob was positioned alike on all models. So, let me just presume you set the Tuner control [size=small](what that used to be called on detectors)[/size] for a slight audio Threshold hum.


hatpin said:
... sensitivity at 10 and burrowed inside.
I wonder, do you detect with that top hat on? That would be fun to watch as you "burrowed inside." :rofl:


hatpin said:
What makes this area double tough is there are a lot of rusty cans to work through.
I love sites with ferrous trash. Nails are the primary offender and can be just barely rejected, but rusty tin? That's another challenge we have to learn to deal with w/o using Discrimination.


hatpin said:
The first coin I found was a 1941 Mercury dime . I was almost certain it was going to be a silver dime . It had that mellow sound and did not disc out but it did get quieter as I thumbed the disc up .
The newer Tesoro's are okay, but I found the older Tesoro models seemed to have a sweeter tell-tale audio quality about them.

As for the Disc., once set to reject iron nails [size=small](which is always at the minimum on my three main-use Tesoro's with ED-120 Discrimination)[/size] I just hunt away and recover all the good and questionable hits. I never tinker with the Discrimination to try and check a target, and it also consumes search and recover time. It's either good or bad and only my eyes can tell the difference.


hatpin said:
It was about five inches down . All five of the wheats had a very faint signal and disc out around tab . I was hoping they were dimes too .
Remember that too much Discrimination reduces depth, and you can lose some desired but lower-reading targets, such as Indian Head cents, etc.


hatpin said:
They all came about 7 inches deep and all were dated in the 1940's . It made no difference where they discriminate out at , when I hear that faint mellow tone, its going to get dug . Thats the good thing about the Vaquero , deep coins have a sound to them that most junk doest .
When set similar to what you did, with a slight Threshold audio hum, most Tesoro's have a splendid Modulated Audio that provides a lot of target information, such as a hint of target size and depth.

Modulated Audio will have a stronger/louder response on surface and shallow targets, and the audio signal/volume strength will start to diminish after the first two or three inches. As it weakens the operator can get a glimpse of a targets possible size and/or shape as well as make a generous guess as to the target's depth [size=small](presuming it is a coin-sized target)[/size].

The counter to this is a Saturated Audio circuitry wherein all of the received signal is processed to provide the same louder volume as a surface target.

Early on, many of the models used a 'clipping filter' so that there was no weak signal. If the target produced ample signal it was passed along with a full-audio response, If the sisgnal was too weak, it was 'clipped' or cut off and there would be no response at all.

Today, many makes and models have some audio enhancement or saturation incorporated in the Sensitivity control, and some models also incorporate a target Volume and/or Threshold enhancement in their variable adjustment. The result is that there is no signal 'clipping', but increased settings can provide more Saturated Audio across a greater target depth range and only the farthest targets from the coil have a reduced target Volume. It kind of overrides the Modulated Range and limits any modulation or reduced audio to the very weakest signals received.


hatpin said:
Volume and quality along with where and how a target disc out is where my machine shines .I'm a thumber .
I am not a "thumber" and I leave the Discrimination set where it will do the most good ... to just reject iron nails. As for the Volume, I like most of the Tesoro model's Target Volume and especially having a nice, Modulated Audio. That's the main reason I have almost always had one or more Tesoro's in my personal arsenal, at least for the past 32+ years.


hatpin said:
I still dont get those super deep coins that others report . Maybe if I supertuned more and run the machine slightly negative would do it ., but then I dont think it would have the same sound quality.
You could increase the Sensitivity to just below instability, and the if you "Super-Tune" the Vaquero [size=small](I used to call this "Hyper-Tune" before Tesoro started using their term)[/size] by increasing the Threshold to, or almost to, maximum, you have essentially eliminated a lot of your Modulated Audio and it will Saturate [size=small](create a stronger/louder response)[/size] for a greater portion of the EMF and reduce any Modulation to only the weakest and farthest targets.

It might help with some detection depth, but usually it doesn't. It only helps you hear some formerly weaker targets.

Best of success the next time you "burrow" away!

Monte
 
"I wonder, do you detect with that top hat on? That would be fun to watch as you "burrowed inside." :rofl:" No . I was wearing my KC Royals hat because my beloved Cardinals were eliminated . I had twigs poke me in the eyes , nostrils , and even ears .

The threshold set to one o'clock , you're correct in assuming that it makes a low hum . I can still hit the pinpoint button at that setting and get a good tone . Its just what I have become use to .


Thanks for the feedback Monte . The more I read your writings the greater my knowledge .
 
I did not detect from my hands and knees although I have done that several times in the past . I did crawl into the area until I get to a spot where I could stand then I take a step and put the coil in every spot it would fit , take another step and repeat . Last year just a few yards away from this spot I found my only Standing Liberty Quarter . I'm heading back possibly today with a 5.75 inch concentric .

When the machine sounds off especially on a weak target I have to kick the debris out of the way to get a better listen to it , often hitting the pinpoint button to locate it quickly . I dont have to thumb the discriminate button up ,it is time consuming, I just like to hear how it discriminates out , if it does at all . Does it fade out abruptly stop , or stop with a double blip ...?
 
kansa54 said:
Nice finds Hatpin. Do you think the 5.75 coil would detect the wheats at 7 inches?

Dont know . I haven't much experience with the small coil .
 
kansa54 said:
Nice finds Hatpin. Do you think the 5.75 coil would detect the wheats at 7 inches?
I hit one about that depth with my MX5, and the Compadre gave a faint signal both ways with the small coil.
 
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