A golden question?

[larryk56]

For those who are using the golden umax .....

How are you running it to disc out pull tabs and still
find the gold?

Specifically, where are you running your disc and notch etc?

Seems to me that you always run the risk of losing some.

Or ... would you be better off just using the cibola with a 5.75 coil
and set that just above iron and dig all?

Your thoughts?

 

[WV62]

For those who are using the golden umax .....

How are you running it to disc out pull tabs and still
find the gold?

Specifically, where are you running your disc and notch etc?

Seems to me that you always run the risk of losing some.

Or ... would you be better off just using the cibola with a 5.75 coil
and set that just above iron and dig all?

Your thoughts?

I don't have the golden umax, but if it will do what you want I will be looking for one.
I have had a lot of detectors and I try to tune in as much gold as possible, but as far as I can tell there are several types of pull tabs and when you notch or disc them out you will be taking out all the gold that falls in the same range, and for the most part I find the pull tabs are in the range of pretty large gold rings.

Good luck, and I will be watching this thread.

Ron in WV

 

[slingshot]

See. This is why I've NOT gotten one for so long. Couple of weeks ago I find a gold ring with my Royal in notch because if fell in the foil/nickel range. Then, others find some real beauties in the tab range.

 

[Larry (IL)]

I have to agree with Ron........... any notching above iron will reduce your chances for gold. If you are really on a mission to find gold chains, bracelets and rings, you should dig it all. Tedious, yes but often rewarding. With most hunters seeking the dwindling supply of silver coins, I think gold jewelry hunting is the next frontier to be explored.

 

[JB(MS)]

Gold jewelry can be anywhere from the high end of the iron range into the zinc penny range, and for every piece of lost gold jewelry there are countless trash targets that will give the same audio response and/or meter ID. Some claim they can tell gold rings from trash targets, but based on 20 plus years of hunting and finding gold jewelry and digging as much junk as I have I can't help but believe that anyone who thinks they can tell gold rings by watching a meter or listening to tones are fooling themselves. I have one detector, a Goldtrax Treasure Baron, that I can usually tell small pieces of can slaw, some foil and some pencil erasor bands with, but if I skip those I'm also skipping small gold chains and most small gold ear rings. All of the jewelry in the photos plus a lot more, except one ring found for a guy in his yard, was found on and around athletic fields, playgrounds, tot lots, parks and around schools, some with the Golden

 

[tabman]

JB(MS) nice finds! Would it be safe to say that the overwhelming majority of the gold rings that you have found fall in the foil/nickel range?

tabman

 

[Mike Hillis]

With the new toned Golden, I do not discriminate or notch out anything.

What I do is set the new gold tone so that it responds on the conductive range I want to focus on at that particular site and recover that tone. I still dig trash but I dig "gold trash", if you understand what I'm saying.

If you want to consistantly find jewelry "on purpose", you have to understand its loss characteristics and seek out sites where those loss characteristics can be found. You don't dig pull tabs just to dig pull tabs. You dig pull tabs where pull tabs have a high probability to be a gold ring. You don't dig foil just to dig foil. You dig foil where foil has a high probability of being a gold jewelry item. Does that make sense?

Yes, you always have a chance at finding some random piece of jewelry. But would you rather find that odd random peice or would you rather find it on purpose, consistantly almost every time you go out?

What makes the new toned Golden a better jewelry hunter than some other unit is its ability to allow you to focus on a particular gold conductive range.

HH
Mike

 

[Larry (IL)]

I sure can't compete with JB, but here are some more examples of digging in the tab/foil range. A poster I made a couple of years ago with a few finds.

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[tabman]

See. This is why I've NOT gotten one for so long. Couple of weeks ago I find a gold ring with my Royal in notch because if fell in the foil/nickel range. Then, others find some real beauties in the tab range.

Forget the pull tabs and play the odds, Most of the gold rings that are lost will fall in the upper foil range and the nickel range. Just dig everything between sports foil caps and pull tabs. A good setup is using that range and the zinc and up range together. You can cover a lot of ground with that setting and have a good shot at finding gold rings, silver rings, clad and silver coins. The only time I have found gold rings was using that method last year. I found dozens of silver rings and jewelry, hundreds of dollars in clad and silver coins and two nice gold rings. If you hunt beaches this may not be the best method, but for parks, sports fields and schools this method works really well for me.

When I get my Golden set where I want it, I don't have to think about or analyze anything, if it's a good repeatable signal, I dig.

tabman

 

[JB(MS)]

Of the 45 rings in the photo's in the other post, except those in the photo that has a lot of chains and rings piled together, 8 were in the nickel range, 9 in tab range, 2 in zinc penny range and 26 in the foil range. I've never kept records, but I've found a lot more rings in the tab range than in the nickel range, and would bet that no more than 10 percent of the rings I've found were in the nickel range.

The photo below shows some of the tabs I've dug looking for jewelry in the last year and half. I turn them in at a collection center here in town to be sent to the McDonald foundation and they use the money they get from selling them as scrap to help pay the cost of providing Ronald McDonald houses. The "houses", probably more like motels than houses, are located near hospitals and families who have sick kids in the hospital can stay in them. The tabs don't bring much, maybe 75 cents a pound, but since I dig them anyway I thought it would be better to turn them in than throw them in the garbage. The people who stay in the houses only have to pay $10 per day, the tabs and other programs pay the rest of the cost. It's not much, but for someone who has a child with leukemia, cancer or some other catastrophic disease it helps.

 

[slingshot]

I sure can't compete with JB, but here are some more examples of digging in the tab/foil range. A poster I made a couple of years ago with a few finds.

[attachment 224304 2.jpg]

THAT'S the picture that stays in my mind.

 

[Hombre]

See. This is why I've NOT gotten one for so long. Couple of weeks ago I find a gold ring with my Royal in notch because if fell in the foil/nickel range. Then, others find some real beauties in the tab range.

Forget the pull tabs and play the odds, Most of the gold rings that are lost will fall in the upper foil range and the nickel range. Just dig everything between sports foil caps and pull tabs. A good setup is using that range and the zinc and up range together. You can cover a lot of ground with that setting and have a good shot at finding gold rings, silver rings, clad and silver coins. The only time I have found gold rings was using that method last year. I found dozens of silver rings and jewelry, hundreds of dollars in clad and silver coins and two nice gold rings. If you hunt beaches this may not be the best method, but for parks, sports fields and schools this method works really well for me.

When I get my Golden set where I want it, I don't have to think about or analyze anything, if it's a good repeatable signal, I dig.

tabman

Your inexperience is really showing here tabman,

The best treasures I have found came in at pulltab range, mens gold rings, crossed sabre cavalry hatpin, nice old saloon tokens, barber dime that was tilted 45 degrees, etc. etc. Remember,,, Location is key to finding the good stuff.

 

[Smudge]

When I elected to use the notch discrimination, I found I could knock out some pull tabs, but not others. If I were to open the notch wide enough to knock out all pulltabs, I would lose my small gold rings in air testing, so I didn't do it.

Truth is, you could turn off the notching, set your discrimination low, and just dig the mid and high tones and you probably won't miss much. But your trash count goes up too.

Without using the notching feature though, the Golden loses a lot of its luster, though I admit I like the tones.

I've found myself going back and using my 12 kHz Compadre more and more these days. That little guy finds the best stuff when my discrimination is set right below FOIL.

Larry, I'm no expert and I've only been detecting a couple of years, but I'm starting to figure one thing out.

If you are really serious about jewelry hunting, don't get too hung up on notching and TID screens. They tend to lull you in to a false sense of security. Simple detectors like the Compadre force you to dig more becuase they give you less information. Once you've set your discrimination, be prepared to dig every good signal you get. The more you dig, the more trash you get. But you also get more of the good stuff. Its the great truism of our hobby. We've been trying to find a way around it for years, but so far, nothing works.

Good luck to you!

 

[tabman]

See. This is why I've NOT gotten one for so long. Couple of weeks ago I find a gold ring with my Royal in notch because if fell in the foil/nickel range. Then, others find some real beauties in the tab range.

Forget the pull tabs and play the odds, Most of the gold rings that are lost will fall in the upper foil range and the nickel range. Just dig everything between sports foil caps and pull tabs. A good setup is using that range and the zinc and up range together. You can cover a lot of ground with that setting and have a good shot at finding gold rings, silver rings, clad and silver coins. The only time I have found gold rings was using that method last year. I found dozens of silver rings and jewelry, hundreds of dollars in clad and silver coins and two nice gold rings. If you hunt beaches this may not be the best method, but for parks, sports fields and schools this method works really well for me.

When I get my Golden set where I want it, I don't have to think about or analyze anything, if it's a good repeatable signal, I dig.

tabman

Your inexperience is really showing here tabman,

The best treasures I have found came in at pulltab range, mens gold rings, crossed sabre cavalry hatpin, nice old saloon tokens, barber dime that was tilted 45 degrees, etc. etc. Remember,,, Location is key to finding the good stuff.

Not really. I think it's pretty common knowledge that good finds can be found throughout the entire range and location is very important. Nothing new there. I'm talking about something else entirely. From my testing I've found that the majority of the gold rings that are lost at schools, parks and sports fields will fall in the foil/nickel range. Do the math even with JB (MS) ring finds above. 26 rings found in the foil range + 8 rings found in the nickel range = 34 rings found in the foil/nickel range. 9 rings found in the pull tab range + 2 rings found in the zinc range = 11 rings found in the pull tab/zinc range. I've read where others have tested and found as much as 75% of the gold rings that are lost fall in the foil/nickel range. The good thing about the Golden uMax is that you can play the odds and target that range. Not everyone wants to dig every target, me included. I'm going to be out there diggings lots of coins, silver and gold rings and having a great time. When I get a little older, a little wiser and some more experience under my belt, I can start saying to everyone, "if you don't dig everything you're going leave something good in the ground".

tabman

 

[Hombre]

Ok knowitall, how many gold rings have you found? I hope eveyone around where I live follows your advice

 

[tabman]

Ok knowitall, how many gold rings have you found? I hope eveyone around where I live follows your advice

It must really bother you, so I'll stick with saying that the majority of the gold rings that are lost will fall in the foil/nickel range.

I've only tried zeroing in on that foil/nickel range a few times and scored twice. I like to coin shoot mostly.

This one guy i read about just hunts that range exclusively and does really well. I just don't see how anyone could ignore a good coin signal.

tabman

 

[JB(MS)]

Late this afternoon I was driving by the sports complex down the street and noticed a relative and his grandson at the tot lot there. I stopped and BS'ed with him until he left a few minutes later, and as he backed out I noticed a nickel and a dime lying in the gravel where he had been parked. I got the Golden