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A Golden little day...
- Thread starter DavHut
- Start date
WTG David,
I had a Golden for about 6mos. Used it just a couple times. I guess I'm not musicaly inclined 'couse it drove me nuts with all the noise. I bought it for the notch featuer but could not get past the noise. Anyway it became trading stock for a Vaquero. I guess I'm just a single minded, single tone kinda guy. But I'm glad your having fun with it. Mike seems to enjoy it also. Wish Tesoro would make a single tone machine with notch. Even coin check would be good.
Nice ring!!!!Ag is always good.
I had a Golden for about 6mos. Used it just a couple times. I guess I'm not musicaly inclined 'couse it drove me nuts with all the noise. I bought it for the notch featuer but could not get past the noise. Anyway it became trading stock for a Vaquero. I guess I'm just a single minded, single tone kinda guy. But I'm glad your having fun with it. Mike seems to enjoy it also. Wish Tesoro would make a single tone machine with notch. Even coin check would be good.
Nice ring!!!!Ag is always good.
Hi David and thank you for your post on the Golden. I just ordered a couple of Golden's for inventory. I had been hesitant to stock them because I don't see much being said about the Golden. I like tone ID but it has it's place. I need to do my own testing and learn the in's and out's of this instrument so I can better explain to the potential customer what it can do. So much appreciate your input and I know Mike H. seems to really like the instrument. I love the housing or packaging that Tesoro uses on their instruments and they are a get down to business lineup of detectors. God Bless David and CU later.
Wirechief, CET
Wirechief, CET
..If it beeps dig it, you never know!
Actually this is good advice with the Golden, especially at first. The Golden is quite subtle and takes some training, but probably the best advice is that if the tone is sing-songy and not easy to define then it is trash. Good targets signal cleanly.
Although, I DID pull the St. Chris medal from within a few inches of the hammer head you see in the pic. The two signals were close together and needed some close litening, but it was obvious that there were two items mixed together - one iron, one something good.
Actually this is good advice with the Golden, especially at first. The Golden is quite subtle and takes some training, but probably the best advice is that if the tone is sing-songy and not easy to define then it is trash. Good targets signal cleanly.
Although, I DID pull the St. Chris medal from within a few inches of the hammer head you see in the pic. The two signals were close together and needed some close litening, but it was obvious that there were two items mixed together - one iron, one something good.
I like tone ID but it has it's place. I need to do my own testing and learn the in's and out's of this instrument
Well said. Like any Tesoro, it is a demanding taskmaster, but pleasant in the process. THe subtle nuances are best learned over a bit of time and would suit a dedicated detectorist with a good ear. Id hesitate to say it, but the instrument is probably not for the average beginner.
I like it. Its light, easy to swing. It has adequate depth. You can use smaller coils for trash picking. The tone ID is good on good targets and "flutie", ie sing-songy, on trash. Im putting the Ace 250 and my other instruments to sleep for a awhile. But then Im dedicated.
Well said. Like any Tesoro, it is a demanding taskmaster, but pleasant in the process. THe subtle nuances are best learned over a bit of time and would suit a dedicated detectorist with a good ear. Id hesitate to say it, but the instrument is probably not for the average beginner.
I like it. Its light, easy to swing. It has adequate depth. You can use smaller coils for trash picking. The tone ID is good on good targets and "flutie", ie sing-songy, on trash. Im putting the Ace 250 and my other instruments to sleep for a awhile. But then Im dedicated.
Hi David and I am looking forward to giving the Golden a test run. Thanks for the advice and I can see where a nubee might have a little trouble with the learning curve. You know David I know the Ace 250 is a good deal for 200.00 with the many features it offers because I sell them but I just don't need all the extras to find stuff. Don't get me wrong I want the detector manufacturer's to keep going forward, and I do love gadgetry because I like to tinker. But you know that all they are doing is just trying to find another thrill to put on these instruments to try and get them to sell. I watch these forums and it is good when the users voice a problem or ask for an improvement from the makers on a certain feature. But I think the next great leap forward will have to be in the physics domain on metal detectors. Well I've said too much and CU later David and I will let you know what I think of the Golden after I try it for awhile. God Bless ya.
Wirechief, CET
Wirechief, CET
But I think the next great leap forward will have to be in the physics domain on metal detectors.
Alas, the laws of the universe are immutable. The physics will, I suspect remain the same.
Circuitry, on the other hand, is something we can work with. I predict greater gain to come and some sort of real work with PI.
Alas, the laws of the universe are immutable. The physics will, I suspect remain the same.
Circuitry, on the other hand, is something we can work with. I predict greater gain to come and some sort of real work with PI.
rentasquid
New member
Is the Golden a 3 or 4 tone detector? I had a bounty hunter that had 3 tones, and it was annoying, because a piece of trash would induce the 3 tone warble. My Pantera only has two real tones, and a broken middle ground, dependent upon where you set the notch. I wish it was as light as the Golden though. You could probably swing the golden for hours without getting a sore arm!
J.
J.
...well, J., the Golden actually has 6 audio response options. The first are the four tones, which are, in order:
Low - iron and small foil bits
Mid/low - nicks and some tabs
Mid/high - some tabs, screwcaps and zincers
High - US coins and silver
Of course gold falls in to any of the latter three.
There is also a double tap, a "bee-da-beep", for targets which are right under the coil say within an inch or two, depending on size. It's called an overload signals and indicates that the target is too large or too close to ID
Finally there is a low to high, high to low warble or "rolling" tone which indicates iron like washers and other neatly shaped pieces.
As you noticed with your BH, most trash induces a combo tone effect, and many good targets that are not clearly definable as a coin will have some element of this.
Now, I rather like it, BUT, you may not, given your past experience. It is a diggers instrument, though. You are going to get signals - the only way to learn what they are is to dig. Only then will you learn, and learn to trust....
Low - iron and small foil bits
Mid/low - nicks and some tabs
Mid/high - some tabs, screwcaps and zincers
High - US coins and silver
Of course gold falls in to any of the latter three.
There is also a double tap, a "bee-da-beep", for targets which are right under the coil say within an inch or two, depending on size. It's called an overload signals and indicates that the target is too large or too close to ID
Finally there is a low to high, high to low warble or "rolling" tone which indicates iron like washers and other neatly shaped pieces.
As you noticed with your BH, most trash induces a combo tone effect, and many good targets that are not clearly definable as a coin will have some element of this.
Now, I rather like it, BUT, you may not, given your past experience. It is a diggers instrument, though. You are going to get signals - the only way to learn what they are is to dig. Only then will you learn, and learn to trust....
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
I hope it continues to grow on you! Doesn't take long to pick it up either. To be honest, I've had to pack my Golden up and hide it under the bed so I'll use my other machines, because if it is out, I'll grab it.
Wait until you put a widescan on it and take it to the trash. It really shines in those conditions. I've got some trash areas that the Golden/Widescan just excells in. Something about hunting in trash at the same speed you hunt in cleaner ground just appeals to me. That high tone just sings out on the high coins and silver, and you can hunt gold at the exact same time. Only detector I've ever thought about having two of and actually had the wifes blessing for getting it
Wait until you put a widescan on it and take it to the trash. It really shines in those conditions. I've got some trash areas that the Golden/Widescan just excells in. Something about hunting in trash at the same speed you hunt in cleaner ground just appeals to me. That high tone just sings out on the high coins and silver, and you can hunt gold at the exact same time. Only detector I've ever thought about having two of and actually had the wifes blessing for getting it
Steve missouri
New member
Dave: The Golden is a serious coin finder, it has found several thousand for me. I'm like Mike Hillis and wife, one of my favorites, when I hunt the Golden is always one of the several I take with me. Steve.
Can you go into a litle detail on the widescan benefits and function, Mike? I confess, I have never been much of a coil connoseiur and dont really claim to understand all the ins and outs of them.
I do like the Golden so far and find it a real pleasure to use - Im going with it in a few for a morning swing@
I do like the Golden so far and find it a real pleasure to use - Im going with it in a few for a morning swing@
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
I like them because I can get the target separation of a small coil while getting the ground coverage of a larger coil 
Plus, once you understand them then you know how much ground you are covering per sweep at a certain depth range.
In the air, the footprint of a concentric coil is more bowl shaped than conical. But in the ground, the ground minerals condense the footprint into a more conical shape. The higher the ground minerals, the more narrow the conical footprint.
For example in a certain soil with an 8" concentric, your coil foot print at 6" might only be 2" wide. That means if you are looking for 6" deep coins and you really want to cover the ground you have to focus on making sure you get a good 80% coil overlap, otherwise you are missing a lot of ground at the 6" depth mark.
The widescan coil footprint is long and narrow. The soil mineralization affects it the same way, squeezing the footprint, but without as much affect. So in the same soil of the example, with an 8" widescan coil, I would be getting a 5" long, but maybe only a 1/2" wide footprint. That means I only have to overlap the coil by 40% to achieve the same type of coverage at depth. That is much more forgiving than 80%.
The narrow width of the footprint separates targets like a knife. So even in high trash you are separating alot of targets just because the field is so narrow.
So I like the widescans because I have to pay less attention to coil overlap and get great separation. The machine also sees less of the ground minerals so in higher mineralization, there is a lessened affect of them.
Not to forget pinpointing. With a widescan coil you don't have to x the shallower targets, you can just poke the coil at them and let the VCO tell you were they are. or do the DD wiggle, and pull the coil back away from the target as you wiggle the coil back and fourth until the audio is gone, then move the coil back until the signal returns and the target will be right under the toe. Or further back depending upon depth. Once you learn the coil and the soil you hunt, it gets fast and easy.
I just love them for the modern (1950+) sites I hunt as most of the stuff is still inside the 0-7" range.
Plus, once you understand them then you know how much ground you are covering per sweep at a certain depth range.
In the air, the footprint of a concentric coil is more bowl shaped than conical. But in the ground, the ground minerals condense the footprint into a more conical shape. The higher the ground minerals, the more narrow the conical footprint.
For example in a certain soil with an 8" concentric, your coil foot print at 6" might only be 2" wide. That means if you are looking for 6" deep coins and you really want to cover the ground you have to focus on making sure you get a good 80% coil overlap, otherwise you are missing a lot of ground at the 6" depth mark.
The widescan coil footprint is long and narrow. The soil mineralization affects it the same way, squeezing the footprint, but without as much affect. So in the same soil of the example, with an 8" widescan coil, I would be getting a 5" long, but maybe only a 1/2" wide footprint. That means I only have to overlap the coil by 40% to achieve the same type of coverage at depth. That is much more forgiving than 80%.
The narrow width of the footprint separates targets like a knife. So even in high trash you are separating alot of targets just because the field is so narrow.
So I like the widescans because I have to pay less attention to coil overlap and get great separation. The machine also sees less of the ground minerals so in higher mineralization, there is a lessened affect of them.
Not to forget pinpointing. With a widescan coil you don't have to x the shallower targets, you can just poke the coil at them and let the VCO tell you were they are. or do the DD wiggle, and pull the coil back away from the target as you wiggle the coil back and fourth until the audio is gone, then move the coil back until the signal returns and the target will be right under the toe. Or further back depending upon depth. Once you learn the coil and the soil you hunt, it gets fast and easy.
I just love them for the modern (1950+) sites I hunt as most of the stuff is still inside the 0-7" range.
rentasquid
New member
I didnt care much for the widescan. I did like the ground that I could cover with that big 10" that I sent you, but I found that pinpointing was laborious. Add the weight of the 10" to the already semi-heavy(compared to other tesoros)Pantera, and my arm died after an hour of swinging. It would have really been bad without the belt hook that is on the Pantera. Maybe someday I'll try a smaller coil. That may change my mind.
J.
J.
Mike Hillis
Well-known member
especially the 1.8lb cleansweep. It gave the arm a work out for sure and there isn't any counterbalance to it like on a whites.
The 8.5" wasn't bad though.
The 8.5" wasn't bad though.