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A Few Hunts, Some Good Friends, Some Good Finds, And A Run In With An Uppity Horse Back Rider & A Ranger

Critterhunter

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Saturday morning I fixed my brakes on my truck and headed off to scout a new area. This is an overlook spot with a large mowed grass field. Years ago somebody who no longer metal detects told me that back in the 80's they pulled a lot of barbers out of this site. I didn't have long to hunt but wanted to scout the spot for an hour or so and see what kind of potential it has. I was happy to see after digging a few plugs that this is good fine soil with the potential to have really deep silver in it. I confirmed that for myself when I dug a few zinc pennies roughly 5 or 6" deep. Many of my sites have a mixture of lime stone clay in the soil and so don't have the potential for anything much deeper than say 8 or 9". Not all my sites are that way but a good share of them are, so I'm happy to find a good fine soil location where the 12x10 can run free and see if it can pop some really deep keepers. I'll be back there when I have more time.

Anyway, one of my hunting friends called me that night and said he was hunting the woods near a river on park land and dug a walking liberty half about 3" deep, so he wanted to hitch up with me and another friend Sunday morning to hunt those woods more. This section of woods is between a horse trail and the river. You're allowed to talk or job this horse trail but no bikes, so I didn't see a problem with hunting the edge of it. The horse trail it's self is a mixture of laid down gravel so not much point in hunting that. I stayed about five feet off the side of the trail hunting just inside the wood line.

My one friend was probably 60 yards behind me and about 20 yards into the woods, and the other friend was probably 100 yards behind me and 30 or 40 yards into the woods. Along comes two women on horse back. They stop and one woman says something to me. I couldn't hear her so I took off my headphones. "Can you stand still while we pass so you don't spook my horse?" Sure, I said. Go right ahead. "OH, and can you get your other friend (the one that was 60 yards behind me) to come out of the woods and wait for us to come back so my horse can see him." Now she's pushing it, so I told her that we have permits to be hunting this park and I'm not going to back track and get my friend to wait for you on the horse trail until you come back." She said something else but I couldn't hear her so I just put my headphones back on and went back to hunting once she passed.

Well, later on she comes back the other way and so, being that I was still next to the trail, I stood still and waited for her to pass. About an hour later I back tracked and me and my two friends took a break on a log about 40 yards into the woods. The third friend (the one who was last behind me and further into the woods) said he didn't see her the first time she went by, but on her return she told him to stand still so she could pass. Being that he was a good distance into the woods he sort of took offense to that and told her he wasn't standing still for anybody and that he had a permit to be hunting here. He went on to tell her that he's owned horses, and that if that horse is that jittery she shouldn't be riding it on public land with joggers and runners who could easily be using that trail too since it's allowed.

We then had a conversation about how we've heard some of these horseback riders in this park have a reputation for being a bit stuck up and think they own the place. I've got nothing against horse back riders but you have to understand that the people near this park that can afford the land and expense to have horses tend to be upper middle class yuppies, because nearby land is rather expensive so to have a horse stall and a field for them to roam in takes a bit of money around here.

Anyway, so as we took our break I saw somebody through the woods on a bicycle come riding down the trail. I made a remark to my two friends about bike riders not being allowed on that trail when I saw the guy stop and get off the bike. I could then see it was a park Ranger. He made his way to us in the woods and checked our permits, then of course asked what happened with the woman on the horse. We explained exactly the encounters all three of us had with her and he then said "Don't worry about it. These people who own horses around here tend to be a bit stuck up and think they own the place." We all laughed because that's exactly the conversation we had been having before he arrived. Luckily all went well from there and he wished us luck.

What did we find? There weren't many signals being that this was in the woods of course. My one friend got a war nickle, three wheats, a mercury dime, and an 1820's Canadian bank token about the size of a large cent. My other friend got a sterling silver religious medal and an indian. None of these finds were deep or masked or anything. Just the luck of the draw passing the coil over the right spot as you worked your way through the woods. I only got two good coin signals the whole time. One was a clad quarter. The other I was sure was going to be silver judging by it's extra sweet high tone but it turned out to be a washer. It's either made from brass or some other high conductive metal because it gave me a killer silver tone.
 
We have the same problem with bicycle riders. Snotty bunch. However, more troublesome are the drunks.
 
Sounds like you need to check that woods out somemore. Those are some pretty good finds. Also too many good finds to be the luck of the draw. Sorry about the horses arses though.
Good luck Gary
 
Critter,nice to see you out on a search.There are a lot of equestrian parks here in MI.One park near me Hadley Hills is always searching for volunteers to help clear the trails and fill in holes to make it safe to ride.I trail ride sometimes and horses will bolt with someone walking close to their path.One hunting season a friend and I rode Hadley Hills and our horses could see every bow hunter in camo gear 100 yards in the brush and would react.With seasoned riders and horses it took a lot of effort to keep these horses from bolting and running away. A horse can go sideways just as quick as they can go forward.You can get injured very easy riding,for this reason you shouldn't hunt near any equestrian trail. HH Ron
 
Well Ron, this trail is open to joggers, runners, and walkers too and is not exclusive to horse back riding. I asked the Ranger about that to be sure, so I surely wouldn't risk riding a horse that is that jumpy down a public trail like that. She's endangering other people in the park too is the way I look at it should that horse go crazy due to something spoofing it. I had no problem standing still for her to pass, but when she told me to go back and tell my one friend to come out of the woods and wait for her to pass on her way back that's when I said I'm not doing that because we have permits and have as much right to use these woods as she does. That's when I knew she felt a bit "entitled" like I've been told by others that many of these horse back riders in this park feel. Like I said, nearby land with horses and pastures tends to be very pricey so I take it they are the wine drinking crowd who like to look down their nose at us common folk. That's what I always heard about them, anyway, so I knew right where she was coming from when she started in a sense demanding that I go back and get my friend and we were to wait for her to pass again on that trail. Where does she come off with that kind of expectation? That trail goes on for several miles, yet she expects us to wait patiently for who knows how long for her and her friend to come back and pass before we can go back to what we're doing. That really rubbed me the wrong way. Luckily I didn't let my emotions get the best of me and say something nasty, but my one friend as said wasn't so reserved when she started to boss him around from what he told me. That's probably why the Ranger was called, because Rich tends to not put up with anybody trying to tell him what to do. I heard a story about him water hunting on lake Erie one day when a Ranger tried to get him to leave. It was early morning and nobody was there yet swimming. He told the Ranger he's checked the laws for that park and they don't have any control of the water. I would have just left and came back another day, but that's rich for you. :biggrin:
 
Critter,with horses its not the joggers or walkers that is a problem.Horses in the wild are stalked by prey animals and they can see better than humans,and these people moving about 20-30 yards off the trail can make any horse difficult or dangerous to control.I'm familiar with both hobbies and know people are factored in both good and not so good in metal detecting and horses.A lot of money has been spent on these parks for this specific use and we need to give them support and space to enjoy their hobby also,just as we don't need parks closed to metal detecting.The back dirt roads in MI don't have a speed limit and it is very difficult to enjoy a ride with a car zipping by at 50 MPH in a blind spot,sometimes a ride on an equestrian trail is the only option.Problem with horses even with trainers think they know things they don't as a result I've seen unnecessary injuries and deaths to riders and horses.No matter how well you ride or the horse is its not if, but when you will have an accident.Sometime when people are concerned about their safety they could come across rude.If I was riding on the trail past you in this situation I would like to have a heads up on how many people near or close to the trail.I don't know the tone she used but if see felt the guys metal detecting coming in view would calm her and the horse its not such an unusual request.By the way Critter I have mild horses you could ride on a trail,ever in my area.There is a reason I wear a Helmet and Kevlar vest when riding.Just my view.Thanks Ron
 
Yes, I understand the point about predators lurking in the woods being an instinct thing with horses, but then maybe she'd be better off riding on private land if that kind of thing is an issue for her horse. For instance, if my dog was mean and liked to try to pull me along on the leash so it could bite people then the last place I'd take it is down a public trail in the park. Like I said, Rich has owned horses himself and so he's the one who thought he was educated enough about horses to tell her she shouldn't be riding that horse on a public trail if it's that skitish. I was only 5 feet off the side of the trail with no brush or anything blocking her horse's view of me, so why the need to ask me to stand still when it could plainly see I was human. Either way, no skin off my back to ask me to stand still, but I just thought it was kind'a outrageous to tell me to back track and make my friend come out of the woods so we could sit around all day and wait for her to pass again. That's pushing it as far as I'm concerned.
 
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