A couple of mini balls this morning

[tabdog]

[size=medium]I have hunted this area a few miles from my house
sense November of 2007.

It is across the high way from a Civil War Yankee camp
site. But that area is developed to the point it is almost
impossible to hunt.

The first time I went there I found 2 mini balls with in
10 minutes.

I thought that it was going to be just full of relics.

WRONG!

I

 

[David]

A couple of gems in the rough! Keep them in a display case. I am just curious what collectors pay for mini balls from the 1860's civil war. They are much more valuable than money for sure. They came out of a black powder single shot. I just cannot imagine brother killing brother was such a waist with about 600,000 killed in that war and mini balls where a big instrument in the cause of alot of casualties...

What kind of Tesoro unit and size of coil were you using? Do you ever use the 11" round, 10x12", or 3.6x18" clean sweep?

 

[tabdog]

Hay David,

That was a bloody awful war. Suffering beyond imagination.

But on the hunt.

I was using a Euro Sabre with a 5.75 concentric coil. It's a lot like an Eldorado.

I have used my 10X12 concentric at that site with my Euro Sabre. That's when
I found that brass horse saddle sash buckel and iron part.

I turn the 10X12 around backwards so it's not so front heavy. But it's heavy.
It's a lot easier to swing the 5.75. But I probably will go back with the
10X12 soon.

Happy Hunting,

Tabdog

 

[David]

Yes beyond immagination that war was and a total waist just like Vietnam. Accompishing very little in results compared to the large measure of death and suffering...

http://www.tesoro.com/info/fieldtests/older/eurosabre/
Quote, "The Euro Sabre, furnished with a 12 x 10 coil, is primarily a relic machine, but as you will see further down in this article, it can also be used for coins, jewelry, gold and probably caches...Although the 12 x 10 coil makes the Euro Sabre a little nose heavy in my opinion, the size gives a little more depth as compared to smaller coils. It doesn't seem to lose any sensitivity to small targets. As with all Tesoro coils, this one pinpoints exactly where it should. Targets will be dead center in the coil's center opening. Target masking isn't near the problem I thought it would be with such a large coil.

One can cover a lot of soil in a few hours. My opinion is that this coil must be used with a slower sweep speed for best results (not a snail's pace but 50 to 60 percent of what I consider to be a normal Tesoro sweep speed). It is a good detector by any standard, and when properly used, it will undoubtedly prove to be one of the better relic detectors available. As a dealer, I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to recommend it to a potential customer. A coin hunter using it in any area that isn't super trashy will be pleasantly surprised at the extra depth that targets are detected."

Monte prefers the Euro Sabre over the Vaquero. They have about the exact same controls BUT except on the Euro Sabre the All Metal--Disc switch gives a person the option to switch back and forth easily. On the Vaquero it is much harder to do with the dial. I wonder if the Euro Sabre's depth is comparable to the Vaquero? (I have no evidence but my guess would be the depths are comparable and I would like to own one.)


Also Tabdog, maybe try this accessory for the Euro with the heavy 10x12" coil to take the weight off. Good Luck!

http://www.docsdetecting.com/docsplace/coiltek/coils2.html
Swingy Thingy

 

[Beale]

Congrats on the very good hunt Tabdog! I really like the mini balls they are in very good shape. Good work, Beale.

 

[Pap]

n/t

 

[tabdog]

Hay David,

Thanks for the tip on the Swingy Thingy. I will try that. $35 ain't bad.

The Euro Sabre is different than the Vaquero in both controls and the
way they perform.

The V has a higher operating frequency and a different kind of circuitry.
It naturally rejects some small iron. With just a little disc it is set for
relic hunting. Depth is similar to the Euro. The Vaquero has an all metal
switch that I think is handy. If I am hunting in all metal, I can just thumb
the disc to check a target. It is easier than fliping a switch and then
thumbing the disc. The V has a good AM mode, like the Euro, and that
is what I use to hunt with, with the V. The V is a very good machine.

I like the Euro more than the V for most applications. It can handle ground
conditions a little better and it can handle iron masking a little better.
The depth of the V may be a little better in ideal conditions, but the Euro
gets better depth in what I have to hunt in most a lot of the time. The
Iron ID of the Euro is neat. In iron blank, it has a setting where small
aluminum foil is almost gone. Gold and pull tabs will be scratchy. Gold
takes practice to get. That means dig a lot. Big iron will come through
and is easy to ID. Small copper wire and things like sword hooks and
small buttons come in good. You can give the iron a low tone and then
the pull tabs will be a scratchy blend of both tones. I have learned to
like it a lot.

The 10X12 really is a good relic coil. It is a little less sensative to small
targets than the 8X9. And the 8X9 is a little less sensative than the 5.75.
The 10X12 does not give much extra depth on coins, but the larger objects
can be detected at much greater depth than with the 8X9. You better be
ready to dig because it can shoot way down there. It should do good on
mini balls also. But haven't found any with the 10X12 yet.

With the 5.75, the Euro is an awsome machine. It's circutry is just like the
Eldorado. But the Euro does not have frequency shift. Instead, the Iron ID
switch replaces it. That's the only difference I can see in the machines.
I had a Eldorado and sold it because I liked the Euro a little better. The
Eldorado has the same performance as the Euro as far as I can tell.

Well, I have to get my youngest boy some breckfast and off to school,
or I would keep on ramblenig.

Happy Hunting,

Tabdog

 

[David]

Tabdog, that is one of the best posts to explain the Tesoros I have ever read. That clears things up...I carefully just read it twice...

every Tesoro owner should read it! It's great.....also I might add, you may consider the VDI meter on the Cortes may help you sort out some of that trash? It has a manual GB control like the V and Euro.

The new HOT circuitry did not make a big difference as it seems as the older machines before it came out seem about equal in depth and performance...

 

[Bill in Texas]

you may consider the VDI meter on the Cortes may help you sort out some of that trash...

Hi David: Can I jump in here. The VDI meter will help in some cases, but it also slows down the response time making it harder to see through the trash. There is a place for both types. I am not as big as some on response time because I dig a lot of trash anyway, as it mask gold and that is what I hunt for. It does however help with depth, which is important when looking for gold. By the way there is no meter (that I have found that is reliable on a gold target, as it varies so much. I can't talk about the Vaquero as I am still learning it sounds (that takes awhile), but it is a nice smooth machine. Bill in Texas Vaquero, Inca, Silver Umax

 

[tabdog]

Wow, thanks for the compliment David.

I was just reporting my fealings about two machines I like to use.

I have a real feal for single tone Tesoro'es with their light weight and fast response.

I can't get away from them until I learn enough to know where to go from here.

I think I will wait for something different from the Cortes.

I really like what I'm into now.

This is the best I've ever had.

I want to use it to pieces.

Happy Hunting,

Tabdog