silvereagle
Member
can you guys tell me where to set ground tracking?do you set it on auto or man.i use the double d 7.5hz coil in park with good soil my numbers are all over
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705xterra settings?
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silvereagle
Member
anyone use this setting?i am trying to fig.out
BarnacleBill
New member
Auto, Manual, & Tracking are mutually exclusive. If you have Tracking turned On then Auto or Manual have nothing to do with affecting the Ground Balance.
Since you provided very little info in your post I am going to guess at what you were trying to ask.
1. You are using the 7.5kHz 10.5 inch DD coil to hunt a park.
2. Your detector is displaying a wild mix of ID numbers, possibly without even swinging the coil.
3. Two characteristics of parks are usually that they are very trashy with a thick assortment of junk targets and if they are in the city EMI interference can be a problem.
4. Therefore you could have an interference issue, or the trash may be so thick that you should be using a smaller coil.
5. You could also not be Ground Balancing correctly or have the Sensitivity too high, or both.
Without a more detailed description of exactly what is occurring, what your settings are, and your level of experience, it's really tough to give you better info.
HH
BarnacleBill
Since you provided very little info in your post I am going to guess at what you were trying to ask.
1. You are using the 7.5kHz 10.5 inch DD coil to hunt a park.
2. Your detector is displaying a wild mix of ID numbers, possibly without even swinging the coil.
3. Two characteristics of parks are usually that they are very trashy with a thick assortment of junk targets and if they are in the city EMI interference can be a problem.
4. Therefore you could have an interference issue, or the trash may be so thick that you should be using a smaller coil.
5. You could also not be Ground Balancing correctly or have the Sensitivity too high, or both.
Without a more detailed description of exactly what is occurring, what your settings are, and your level of experience, it's really tough to give you better info.
HH
BarnacleBill
silvereagle
Member
ok sorry but yes at the park with the 10 double d 7.5hz coil and everything seemed stable a few pops so i am in AUTO GB and sens is set between 20-24 any higher i get goofy id #'s threshold is in auto and i set the tracking on but i kept getting weird #'s when i was over an object i did manage an 1891 indian,1920 mercury,1935-s mercury that day but it seemed iffy when i was over top of the dimes i was getting target id #'s that were going from 36,38 to 42 bouncing that why i was asking for help.
You stated: "i set the tracking on but i kept getting weird #'s when i was over an object". If you do not disable tracking when "hovering" over a target, the X-Terra may actually be balancing out the target, thinking it is part of the ground matrix. (as referenced on Page 42, Tracking, second paragraph).
Congrats on the nice finds. The "bouncing" TID that you referred to can be expected at times. Coins that are perfectly flat, without adjacent targets and in moderately mineralized ground will produce fairly stable TID readings. But as many have posted before, there are too many variables to always say always. I hunt in all metal, multiple tones and go by my three rules of consistency. Consistent location, consistent sound and consistent TID. By consistent, I mean repeating. On the X-70 and 705, if the location is consistent when sweeping over the target from multiple directions, and if the sound is consistent in that there are no other targets under the coil at the same moment as the one you are after, and if the TID bounces two notch segments or less, I dig! Again, there are many variables, as mentioned in a number of previous posts. But for the most part, I stand by the consistency theory. There has been some mention that the 305 and 505 provide more stable TID numbers. This can be expected in that there are twice as many notch segments in the 705 as the 305. And 50% more in the 705 as the 505. In other words, when a target bounces one notch segment on the 305 or 505, it is equivalent to two notch segments on the 705. It appears on the surface that the 305 and 505 are more stable and "bounce less". It is true they might bounce less on certain targets. But the reason is the number of notches available. Not the stability of the detectors. I made a TID chart when the X-Terra first came out. You can find a copy of it in our FAQFAQ section, along with some other articles that might help your coinhunting efforts. In a nutshell, I would recommend that the first thing you do at any site is set the Noise Cancel channel. If you are going to run in a tracking mode, make sure you disable tracking when Xing over the target. JMHO HH Randy
Congrats on the nice finds. The "bouncing" TID that you referred to can be expected at times. Coins that are perfectly flat, without adjacent targets and in moderately mineralized ground will produce fairly stable TID readings. But as many have posted before, there are too many variables to always say always. I hunt in all metal, multiple tones and go by my three rules of consistency. Consistent location, consistent sound and consistent TID. By consistent, I mean repeating. On the X-70 and 705, if the location is consistent when sweeping over the target from multiple directions, and if the sound is consistent in that there are no other targets under the coil at the same moment as the one you are after, and if the TID bounces two notch segments or less, I dig! Again, there are many variables, as mentioned in a number of previous posts. But for the most part, I stand by the consistency theory. There has been some mention that the 305 and 505 provide more stable TID numbers. This can be expected in that there are twice as many notch segments in the 705 as the 305. And 50% more in the 705 as the 505. In other words, when a target bounces one notch segment on the 305 or 505, it is equivalent to two notch segments on the 705. It appears on the surface that the 305 and 505 are more stable and "bounce less". It is true they might bounce less on certain targets. But the reason is the number of notches available. Not the stability of the detectors. I made a TID chart when the X-Terra first came out. You can find a copy of it in our FAQFAQ section, along with some other articles that might help your coinhunting efforts. In a nutshell, I would recommend that the first thing you do at any site is set the Noise Cancel channel. If you are going to run in a tracking mode, make sure you disable tracking when Xing over the target. JMHO HH Randy
silvereagle
Member
thanks for the help,so are all of your settings in manual?when i hit a target sometimes like when i found the mercs it would jump from 38 to 40-42 i think this is norm.as you described i have been shutting off the tracking when i hit a target,but when i found the mercs i didnt know that until further reading because i am so use to the 505 i fig i would have no prob. with the 705 but they are most def. different so if you get a hit and its on say 38 and the tracking is off and it goes say from 38 to 40 its ok? and if it goes to 44,46 then you know its junk?
A 44-46 is not a given junk target. A 44 can be a silver 1/2 or a very nice ring. A 46 could well be a silver dollar. I dig them I have dug a bunch of trash but also a coin or 2. Just last week I got a solid 44 I just knew it was gonna be a half or trash. It was 2 quarters stacked on top of each other. Nice and neat to, Beale.
Jackpine Savage
Active member
Since "most" junk reads lower I always dig those types of signals. Heck it could be a quarter near a dime or just about any combination of good targets. Lack of sweep accuracy (how well yor coil is centered over the target on repeated sweeps) will give varying numbers on an individua target also.
JMHO
Tom
silvereagle
Member
what i meant was so you get a hit say 32,then you sart cross scaning and get #'s from 32 the 40 then 38 then 48 i thought that it meant its not a penny or a dime ?am i wrong you say it could be 2 items?
BarnacleBill
New member
OK......time to stop & go back to basics.
Find a clean piece of ground, take some coins and spread them out 2 ft apart with sensitivity at 15.
Practice:
1. Keeping coil height consistent one inch above ground.
2. Centering the swing of the coil over the center of the target.
3. Notice what happens when you don't center over a target.
4. Step 90 degrees using the target as the center pivot point and repeat 1& 2.
5. Vary the sweep speed notice the effect.
6. Place a nickel with a dime or penny 3 inches apart and repeat 1 thru 4.
7. Raise the coil six to eight inches above ground and repeat all above.
8. Turn sensitivity all the way up & repeat all above taking note of what happens to the ID.
Trash filled parks with several targets, and targets laying at angles are a challenge. You have to have the basics down and be confident in those basic skills before tackling a park with a large DD coil. To get a consistent ID on any target ID detector you have to give the coil a clean look at the target.
HH
BarnacleBill
Find a clean piece of ground, take some coins and spread them out 2 ft apart with sensitivity at 15.
Practice:
1. Keeping coil height consistent one inch above ground.
2. Centering the swing of the coil over the center of the target.
3. Notice what happens when you don't center over a target.
4. Step 90 degrees using the target as the center pivot point and repeat 1& 2.
5. Vary the sweep speed notice the effect.
6. Place a nickel with a dime or penny 3 inches apart and repeat 1 thru 4.
7. Raise the coil six to eight inches above ground and repeat all above.
8. Turn sensitivity all the way up & repeat all above taking note of what happens to the ID.
Trash filled parks with several targets, and targets laying at angles are a challenge. You have to have the basics down and be confident in those basic skills before tackling a park with a large DD coil. To get a consistent ID on any target ID detector you have to give the coil a clean look at the target.
HH
BarnacleBill
TURNMASTER
Active member
I would never pass on a 44-46, each time it has been a quarter for me. Clad but a quarter non the less.
good luck
Jeff
good luck
Jeff
I dig EVERY 44, 3 times this year they were silver halves, 2 walking liberties, one franklin
44 has been wheat pennies before where there was 2 or 3 in the same hole
44 has been silver quarters
46 this year from all 4 directions was 2 silver quarters in the same hole
I have also gotten 44-46 on nice brass relics that were bigger than a quarter, as well as one watch fob I dug this year. If it sounds good and clear I dig. If you use multi tone you can "hear" the difference in iron, iron does not give a SMOOTH signal, it crackles......not sure if that is explained right or not. But the more I use this machine the more I can understand the sounds, and pay less attention to the numbers
I honestly believe the x-70 can gives two different tones on the same number for example a 44 over a half is clear and higher pitched, a 44 over iron is high pitched but a tad lower and cracking up I can easily tell the difference in the two tones but both times screen may say 44
44 has been wheat pennies before where there was 2 or 3 in the same hole
44 has been silver quarters
46 this year from all 4 directions was 2 silver quarters in the same hole
I have also gotten 44-46 on nice brass relics that were bigger than a quarter, as well as one watch fob I dug this year. If it sounds good and clear I dig. If you use multi tone you can "hear" the difference in iron, iron does not give a SMOOTH signal, it crackles......not sure if that is explained right or not. But the more I use this machine the more I can understand the sounds, and pay less attention to the numbers
I honestly believe the x-70 can gives two different tones on the same number for example a 44 over a half is clear and higher pitched, a 44 over iron is high pitched but a tad lower and cracking up I can easily tell the difference in the two tones but both times screen may say 44
silvereagle
Member
i understand the basics,i am saying even tho it is a trashy park its been an amusement park back in 1880'snow its grass,i am saying when i hit the silver it came up as 38,then after a few scans to make sure id changed from 38 to 40-42?wich is ok i still dig then when i get 44-46 most times its a piece of metal or a can or even old bottle tops i still DIG! all i was asking you guys was do you see the id #'s jump when you get a solid lock on a coin?thats all
I do yes..........but I am almost always hunting old houses that have tones of iron around, if you get another target under the coil at the same time it will jump around. Very rarely do I get a solid lock on number. Seems like there is always something close by. Today again I had a 4 wheat spill that came up 42-44
I was hoping for a silver quarter but got 4 wheats instead.
a lot of wheats for me really jump around a LOT from low 30's to mid 40's, seems like silver doesn't jump as much but not always
I was hoping for a silver quarter but got 4 wheats instead.
a lot of wheats for me really jump around a LOT from low 30's to mid 40's, seems like silver doesn't jump as much but not always
silvereagle
Member
so then you say that alot of times when you get jumping id;s a couple of #'s say 42-46 its prob. metal next to it.ok i can see that do you get any 48's?once in a while i get 46-48,today i had a good 42 i am thinking owe its gotta be silver pulled up an old orange crush soda pop top.damn i had high hopes but i am learning you have to take the bad with the good.i am trying the new 3hz coil in hopes of getting deeper silver have you had any luck with the 3hz coil?and what kind of general settings do you use? thanks for all the help
bigjohn070
New member
I agree with goes4ever about the tones of bottle caps with scratcy sound (bottle caps)
If you get good tones in the high fortys then turn 90 degree to sweep again and it's
in the mid thirty's mostly its a cap. sometimes you will get the same high pitch both ways
except there is a little difference in the audio( i still dig some because you never know)
HH
BIG JOHN
If you get good tones in the high fortys then turn 90 degree to sweep again and it's
in the mid thirty's mostly its a cap. sometimes you will get the same high pitch both ways
except there is a little difference in the audio( i still dig some because you never know)
HH
BIG JOHN
I've referred to them as "harmonics" when I hunt in all metal, multiple tone. (which I believe makes the ferrous targets more easy to identify by sound). The only reason to look at the meter is to help determine what the target will look like when you remove the dirt! As I've said many times before, t is to explain those sounds to someone using only words. But if you stick with it, as G4E has, those sounds come in loud and clear. JMHO HH Randy