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6x10DD
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cedarswamp
Active member
I am convinced that the 6x10 dd runs cleaner then the 950 concentric even in mild ground, and gets better separation.It throws a knife blade pattern down and curves at the end which translates to more coverage , and this being my opinion catches coins on edge because of the way signals are transmitted.It only lacks about an inch difference from the 950 or less in depth on dime size objects.It seems that I can run the gain higher with the 6x10 dd without interference, and have to back off a little with the 950 resulting in only a slight loss of depth, however there are times when an inch means retrieving a good target in areas that are clean and maybe more coverage on the other hand in ground that has trash.CEDAR
If you go to THIS post and scroll down to OregonGregg's post made on April 04, 2013 06:33PM he quotes a post from Dave J who helped design the MXT. His post is relevant because he says the 950, even though sold with the MXT, has "muddy response and bad masking characteristics. Downrightinsufferable. The 950 searchcoil geometry was designed for completely different platforms." To help find the quote, I will just re-quote the quote below....LOL
""Heres a response from Dave J that helped design the MXT. He rarely ever post , but he did on treasurenet on 2-3-13.
Here it is in its entirety. I haven't changed anything or any words and exactly as he posted it:
2-3-13 on TreasureNet Forum
I don't often post in other companies' forums, since I work for "the company in El Paso" these days. But once in a while I'll notice a thread that looks interesting and more rarely even post in it. Here goes.
Back in the late 1990's and very early 20th century, the MXT was developed around the 10x6 elliptical DD. When you're used to that searchcoil, stick a 950 on and the 950 feels downright clumsy with its muddy response and bad masking characteristics. Downrightinsufferable. The 950 searchcoil geometry was designed for completely different platforms.
But, if you ask "does the 950 work?", well, yeah, it does.
Wrong question.
I ain't gonna knock the MXT, it may be an old platform but it still works good. More than 10 years after, if you demand "ground tracking" (not that I say you should demand that), the GMT/MXT have the best in the industry. Not even Minelab (!) denies that! And as far as I know, the MXT/GMT are the only VLF-IB machines on the market with active transmitter regulation that makes it possible to work (with reduced performance) in heavy magnetite black sand, a circumstance otherwise left up to PI's. We're talking very good machines here. They may be a bit old in the tooth, but this is an industry that takes time to weed the turnips out of the beet patch. Ain't like celfonz where in 6 months the whole world has decided what kyckes and what szux. It takes time to deliver good beep verdict.
MXT. 10x6DD is the foundation. Everything else is an accessory. I am telling you this because if you are a White's loyalist, I want you to spend that extra buck, the folks in Sweet Home are my friends!
My own marketing dept. will try to kill me for this post (if they discover it), but don't worry, I've been in this a lot longer than they have, it'll all come out okay.
As we say in the Southwest,
"Servidor de Vdes." My mission in life is servitude hopefully of the competent sort.
--Dave J.""
""Heres a response from Dave J that helped design the MXT. He rarely ever post , but he did on treasurenet on 2-3-13.
Here it is in its entirety. I haven't changed anything or any words and exactly as he posted it:
2-3-13 on TreasureNet Forum
I don't often post in other companies' forums, since I work for "the company in El Paso" these days. But once in a while I'll notice a thread that looks interesting and more rarely even post in it. Here goes.
Back in the late 1990's and very early 20th century, the MXT was developed around the 10x6 elliptical DD. When you're used to that searchcoil, stick a 950 on and the 950 feels downright clumsy with its muddy response and bad masking characteristics. Downrightinsufferable. The 950 searchcoil geometry was designed for completely different platforms.
But, if you ask "does the 950 work?", well, yeah, it does.
Wrong question.
I ain't gonna knock the MXT, it may be an old platform but it still works good. More than 10 years after, if you demand "ground tracking" (not that I say you should demand that), the GMT/MXT have the best in the industry. Not even Minelab (!) denies that! And as far as I know, the MXT/GMT are the only VLF-IB machines on the market with active transmitter regulation that makes it possible to work (with reduced performance) in heavy magnetite black sand, a circumstance otherwise left up to PI's. We're talking very good machines here. They may be a bit old in the tooth, but this is an industry that takes time to weed the turnips out of the beet patch. Ain't like celfonz where in 6 months the whole world has decided what kyckes and what szux. It takes time to deliver good beep verdict.
MXT. 10x6DD is the foundation. Everything else is an accessory. I am telling you this because if you are a White's loyalist, I want you to spend that extra buck, the folks in Sweet Home are my friends!
My own marketing dept. will try to kill me for this post (if they discover it), but don't worry, I've been in this a lot longer than they have, it'll all come out okay.
As we say in the Southwest,
"Servidor de Vdes." My mission in life is servitude hopefully of the competent sort.
--Dave J.""
Lodihunter
New member
It's what stays on my machine when looking for jewelry. I love it.
After all my trials with all of white's coils, I have found for me
My first go to coil for my MXT PRO is D2 10" DD
I sold my 6x10 and kept my 6x8 Sef DD coil as it has proven to cover more ground with much more depth and the best at pinpointing.
IMHO My 6x8 really out shines the White's 6x10 by a mile. Wouldn't own another one.
Wasen't impressed with the Sef 12x10. My white's D2 has super coverage,depth and pinpointing and MUCH lighter.
This is what works for me and i have mild soil here.
My first go to coil for my MXT PRO is D2 10" DD
I sold my 6x10 and kept my 6x8 Sef DD coil as it has proven to cover more ground with much more depth and the best at pinpointing.
IMHO My 6x8 really out shines the White's 6x10 by a mile. Wouldn't own another one.
Wasen't impressed with the Sef 12x10. My white's D2 has super coverage,depth and pinpointing and MUCH lighter.
This is what works for me and i have mild soil here.
When I hit a target. I do a pinpoint for the shallowest depth then I know I am over it. Then wiggle side to side (very short sweeps) and slide back until the target disappears by then I know the line it is on so I slide the coil along that line until I pick up the target and it is just at the tip of the coil. Hope this makes sense. Wiggle and a slide.
It's hard to be perfect on the spot on all pinpoint digs because,of the shape's and size of coils but,for the 6x10dd I would agree with moving back and forth side to side for location also, look at the vdi for closeness. And let's face it. Most of the time we dig a hole we always wined up digging a larger hole to fine are treasure. The 6x10dd is idea for all around places. Because it can handle all of what the mxt pro puts out. Not like most of the coils. because they can only do so much. That's why I think the 6x10dd is worth having
I liked your comment mouseman it goes directly to my new found love for the 6X10. My retrieval method in an active park is to pinpoint my target locate with my probe (well worn screw driver) then use the probe to move the sod to the sides until I have a hole over the target then bring it to the surface.
dixiedigger57
Member
Guys i am agreeing on the 6x10, it requires a little patience. the 950 is so easy with the MXT pinpoint capabilities. i am not used to having that luxury. the tesoro shake was it. the new to me xp350 Compass has a no motion and i thought that and the Whites bullseye i recently acquired was Heaven for md'ers.
i have found the pinpoint on my 6x10 is where the shaft ears are - the right to left is a little tricky but just pull the switch again if need be. a handheld helps. i HAVE to be careful and not leave tracks. park officials are tough here.
the target seperation is great. its deep also.
Old California and Dave J are enough to convince me... a little patience and disipline helps. there are many coils for many reasons. there are many ice cream flavors too... and i have not really found one i dont like:|
i do wonder if in the swath the 6x10 covers-- if it has multple targets- does it show the strongest or the shallowest or does it actual have a sweetspot or what. still have not quite figured that out, but thats beyond me. i know it works. thats what counts... it works well.
i have found the pinpoint on my 6x10 is where the shaft ears are - the right to left is a little tricky but just pull the switch again if need be. a handheld helps. i HAVE to be careful and not leave tracks. park officials are tough here.
the target seperation is great. its deep also.
Old California and Dave J are enough to convince me... a little patience and disipline helps. there are many coils for many reasons. there are many ice cream flavors too... and i have not really found one i dont like:|
i do wonder if in the swath the 6x10 covers-- if it has multple targets- does it show the strongest or the shallowest or does it actual have a sweetspot or what. still have not quite figured that out, but thats beyond me. i know it works. thats what counts... it works well.