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505 settings question.

ski228

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Hello Everyone, I have a question about the sensitivity setting of the 505. My wife and daughters got me my first MD for Father's day. It's a 505. The girls and I have been out about 3 times. I've found about $3 in change and two rings. I think the one is white gold. Its stamped 14k*. The other is Tungsten Carbide. I'm having alot of fun with it. My question is on the sensitivity. It seems I have to dial back to get it to stop the random signal tones. Has anyone else had to do this. I've been running it in Disc at half way to eliminate the iron. If I move real slow and I mean slow, I can keep it at 2 o'clock position as the video recommended. However, if I swing at a consitent sweep I get the intermediate tones/beeps. Additionally, I have the stock 8" coil and I'v been seaching the parks in Coeur d'Alene, ID.
I'd appreciate any advice on the unit.
Thanks, Ski
 
Does anyone have any suggestions for my question?

My question is on the sensitivity. It seems I have to dial back to get it to stop the random signal tones. Has anyone else had to do this. I've been running it in Disc at half way to eliminate the iron. If I move real slow and I mean slow, I can keep it at 2 o'clock position as the video recommended. However, if I swing at a consitent sweep I get the intermediate tones/beeps. I've dialed the sensity down to as low as it goes. Additionally, I have the stock 8" coil and I'v been seaching the parks in Coeur d'Alene, ID.

I'd appreciate any advice on the unit.
Thank you, Ski
 
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I'm unsure of what your area is like for iron mineral content but down here we have some Hot and Cold rocks to contend with. My 505 seems to do just fine though but I also run low sensitivity most times and have had plenty of success with coins.

Think of the Sensitivity control as your Power control. In effect, if you are in fog and you turn on your high beam lights, the fog will reflect back a great deal of light making it hard to see the Rabbit in the fog, the fog being like the iron mineral content of soil and the light being the signal sent out through the coil into the ground. When you change from the bright light to the dim, the less light reflected back and the more you can see of the Rabbit. The same goes with what your machine is detecting. No one place has the same amount of fog and the same goes for the ground not having the same amount of iron mineral content from one place to the next. And just because you turn up the power does not mean you will always get the depth. Some time ago here, I did a little coil air test of sorts on the 505 to show some of the guys how a Hot Rock could mask a coin and possibly have an effect on success, no descrimination used, and the machine did not even know at times a coin was with the rock because the machine self ground ballanced out the hot rock.

What I am wondering is if you are hunting an area loaded with metalic trash items or the coil has too many targets under it at once. It could be you need the 4" coil, works great in trashed out places and up next to metal buildings and fences, and to be honest, it has been the best addition I made to my 505. I'm also wondering if you may be confusing tones that do not repeat on the return swing with what you call intermediate tones/beebs. If you get one tone one direction of the swing but a different tone on return, it is most likely a junk target. On the Tone detectors, you are looking for repeatablity of tone and or what is on the display. You have to keep in mind also, that it is not uncommon to find metal items that have a very simular metal alloy content as these Tone machines are set up for indicating specific coins. I can not tell you how many times I dug up melted aluminum foil for instance and it showed up on the display as a coin. Tone and Display machines can and will be fooled. I'm an old school detectorist that grew up on detecting by manual adjustments and sound but these new Tone and Display detectors can get you in the ball park without having to learn much about how and why.
 
Those are some awesome finds, way to go!! Most people go a very long time before they find a nice gold ring, you found one right off the bat, man that is great, hooked for life now I imagine. Good luck and Happy Hunting!!
 
salmonriverhotrock, Thank you for that excellent explanation. What a coincidence that you would respond, because I happened across a couple of your previous forum replys yesterday and after reading what you said about the 4" I ordered one. I think it's a combination of both trash and minerals. I am getting alot of one way tones and 2 different tone signals, which have been trash. Right now I have been digging everything with repeatable tones. I figure it's all in the learning curve. I really appreciate you sharing your insight. Additionally, as a fellow Veteran, Thank you for your Service.

jjadidct, Thanks and you are correct, I'm hooked! My oldest daughter (11) has really taken an interest too, she loves finding old coins. We haven't found any in the ground yet, but she found a buffalo nickle and a couple wheaties in my change jar and she checks take a penny trays at every store. She has found one wheatie already. she keeps regular pennies in the car so she can swap for the wheaties.
I really wish I would have taken this up years ago, because I traveled alot with the Air Force. The kicker--I was in Alaska for 8 years; what a missed opportunity.

Enjoy the great outdoors, Ski
 
just traded one i should have kept, but will acquire another! i found that slower is better with the id. let the computer read the target. i did not run my sens wide open. and scrubbing the ground between swings can have effect, some falsing. hitting small growth can too. i preferred to set disc and not use notch too much. personal taste. go for the smaller coil too! the world is becoming a trash dump! great finds and good luck! practice makes perfect. remember, i dont care how much or little the machine costs, you gotta dig some trash to get treasure. if you dispose of the trash you dig, you dont have to dig it again. a lot is never cleaned out, different conditions, wet or dry, different charge on batteries, different programs or setting. there are things left to find. happy hunting! and with kids, now you can justify more machines! the tracker Iv would be a great one to start them out, and works on salt beach too!
 
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Thank you for your service as well Air Force.

If you are new in detecting and have watched the DVD or read the manual for the 505, I would recommend you dig everything to get a handle on the tones. Personally, I don't even use the depth display as for the most part, coins will be on the surface to about 3-4 inches deep. That is not saying they can not be deeper but most will be in that range.

I've been detecting since 1982 and believe me, there will always be something out there that will fool you, no matter old school had to learn by Sound or new school by Tones. Now a Pocket Dump of coins can be a blast to find but it can also give multi Tones so keep that in mind. And in the Pin Point mode, I can almost every time, tell if the target is a beer or pop can. I'm unsure of how best to describe it with the 505 but the All Metal Pin Point sound (not a Tone) will be more distinct than on other targets, almost having a slight buzz in it. My Garrett Freedom II pin point makes a much different sound, almost as if hollow, and I can be almost 100% sure when I have found a can. The instructions though for the 505 or my Garrett do not tell you that so it comes with much digging and reminding yourself with more digging. You can know the history or use of a place by people but you will never know what you are going to be in for until you put a coil to the ground. For example, try detecting for coins at an old shooting range. Yes, you can do it but with much patients.

I don't know that any of us have it so down as if to know everything about the back of our hands but years doing it will get you close. I have found with the Tone detectors, that I can hear at times a most subtle change with the tones while visually relating it to the ground and the movement of the coil over it and when suspect enough, I will dig it. Now if you suspect a sound in All Metal or the Tones in the Discriminate mode, dig it. Better safe than sorry. You would be amazed at times at what you almost passed up as junk. One rule of thumb we use with Gold nugget detectors (all metal detectors) is, the area of ground that sounds in relation to the coil movement over it will be less broad for valuables (Gold) than for iron or hot rocks. You can apply the same to the 505 in the All Metal mode. It is not a perfect indicator of what you have but it can in effect be used as a very basic form of discriminating.

You will find some guys will absolutely refuse to dig anything less than a certain discrimination setting and others will not dig Zinc pennies. Everyone to their own but the more they discriminate or refuse to dig, the greater the chance they will miss things for me to find. Last winter I cleaned out a river beach of coins that I know for a fact has been hit by metal detectors galore. The unit I used was a Whites Goldmaster V/SAT. There are no bells and whistles on that machine, no discrimination, and is All Metal. Ya, I found as well tent stakes, fish hooks, hair clips and pins, lead sinkers, pull tabs and cans for instance but I also got the coins others did not, which were mostly quarters, nickles, dimes, and a very few pennies.

Have a great weekend Dirt Fishing, Robert
 
dixiedigger57, I've experienced the falsing with the scrubbing as well, I've been running the Sen around 9-10 o'clock. It seems to be working well. I ordered the 4" and it should be here this coming week. I ordered it through kellyco. Not from their direct website, through their amazon site, what a price difference. Thanks for the tips.

salmonriverhotrock, Thank you for the insight, I'm looking forward to getting out there with my daughters and trying that new coil. As young as they are the more I find the long it holds their attention..lol

Thank you all for the tips, I really appreciate everyone sharing their past experiences, not only with me but with all the newbeeies. Just reading previous posts I feel I've gotten some good advice that I can use.

Happy Hunting everyone. Ski
 
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