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[sube]

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[/img] Made it out today long winter here some parts are still frozen so I found this old church that burned down in 1950 was built in 1889 .
I was using the stock coil Lot's of ground to cover here most coins were in the 8 inch range as I got closer to were the church was iron nail heaven put the 6 on and went to it started at the front door .
What a trash pit so I adjusted my hunting by going to pinpoint sizing with target trace and checking target by target could spend a month here .
Hit a target that gave no audio should of had the camera one way on target trace it was solid iron the other way was a cursor at the 12.37 mark and iron in the bottom as I started to build the target the 12.37 became much larger and the iron bin in the corner was getting bigger .
I decided to sweep it again no audio both ways but target trace showed 12.37 with the icon so I dig down 7 inches and see a nail head I pull on it and get it out I noticed a glob on one end I started to clean it and see it's a coin it's fused hard on the nail I well be leaving it this way 1901 Indian .
All I can say is target trace don't miss much both were displayed on the screen I don't think anybody would of got this one even me but target trace seen it and I dug it .

Pinpoint sizing is great just have to use it more a no motion dics circuit go as slow as you like no hitting other targets like when sweeping great for intense junk.
Even with crappy hit's that can't be deciphered target trace well tell you all you have to do is look at the screen remember this is also a visual detector to ..
I'm going to make some videos this year with real digs showing no audio . I hope you got out I really liked this hunt first of the year and a great start . sube

 

[trojdor]

sube,
Nicely done.

Agree with you 100% on Pinpoint Sizing and Target Trace. It's been my 'go-to secret weapon' for some time now.

Another advantage to the non-motion discrimination is the audio 'intelligence' it gives you...especially about the size and position of the target(s).
And since you don't have to swing it back and forth the 'normal' distance to get a signal, you can really hone in on a small signal...slowly moving the coil sometimes only half an inch back and forth.

It's by far my preferred method in trash because of that. I can ignore the 'non-coin' signal shapes, and hone in on those smaller/round shapes/sounds...and only then look at the screen.

HH,
mike

 

[PMonday]

Nice hunt, thanks for the tip.


HH

 

[mrwilburino]

Awesome pic of the indian stuck to the nail! Very informative post too. I'll have give that technique a try next time I find myself surrounded by nails.

 

[sube]

trojdor That explained it pretty good I don't know why more people are not using it to there advantage . Everybody complains about this being hunted out and few signals left at parks and such but did they real hunt it out or just hunted like everybody else . To get what's left you have to do things different than the next guy . Target trace pinpoint is a great way to hunt only the CTX has it ( USE IT) you will find coins no one else will see . Another thing about pinpoint sizing it is the deepest way to hunt with the ctx with a plus (DISCRIMINATION) in none motion what could you ask for more . The point here is do people really use the ctx to there full advantage . He## I only know how to use ferrous coin separation and it's been 4 years after I bought the ctx I'm just as guilty as the next guy have very rarely gone to different modes and used them . I hope other people use it and see the advantages of this I know it opened my eyes several years ago . It's not perfect but I have not found target trace to lie yet . sube

 

[amberjack]

so you are hunting in pin point mode with the pin point hit and locked on ?

AJ

 

[trojdor]

so you are hunting in pin point mode with the pin point hit and locked on ?
AJ

amberjack,
I'll share my experience/technique, and we'll see if sube can chime in to add anything to it...

Short answer to your question: yes.

Long answer: Here's what you need to do:

Mikes' Secret Sauce:

1. Make sure you've turned on pinpoint trace and pinpoint lock.

2. Find an area where the audio (in normal hunting mode) becomes 'unintelligent' and overwhelming.

3. Switch into the all-metal pinpoint mode with the pinpoint trigger.

Now here's a little tricky part...the CTX 'ground grabs' when you click the pinpoint button.
That means you just switched to a non-ground-tracking mode, and that affects the threshold tone...and ultimately depth.
So either:
a. If you ground minerals aren't TOO bad...just hold the coil over some clean ground...either directly on the ground or a couple inches above it...BEFORE you switch to pinpoint mode.
This will ensure that you can still clearly hear the threshold tone. (More about that later...)
b. If your ground minerals are bad...I've found the easiest way to deal with it is to hunt with ground balance enabled (and carefully balanced)...this will prevent your threshold from disappearing in pinpoint trace.
Again, this wil ensure you can still clearly hear the all-metal/pinpoint threshold tone...but spend a little time balancing to get it as 'right' as you can.
You should be able to lock the pinpoint with either your coil up in the air...or on the ground...and hear no threshold change when you raise and/or lower it.

4. SLOW DOWN. You're now in a non-motion (visually) discriminating mode. Move the coil SLOWLY and in small amounts, while carefully listening to the 'quality' of the signal.
If you look at the screen, it can look like a radar screen...filled with multiple targets being painted in. (When the screen gets too full, just quickly click pinpoint off, then right back on to clear the screen.)

5. When you hear some promising audio (small/tight signal among the rest), watch the screen and cursor as it paints in whats under the coil.
The display will (usually) continue to display the changing conductivity numbers and depth...(this is so cool)
Only move the coil back and forth enough to see where the cursor wants to jump/paint.
It can sometimes help if you mentally visualize you're actually painting the screen with your coil as a brush. (yes...that slowly)

6. When you think you've got a good one, make sure you're over the 'goodie', and dig.

The benefits of this include being able to tell a lot more from the quality of the sounds in pinpoint...which gives you indication of all the targets...no matter how close.
(Of course you lose the different tones and audio disc, but it's a true non-motion (visually) discriminating detector in pinpoint.)

Extra bonus tips:
When you're hunting like this in pinpoint mode, listen VERY carefully to the threshold tone.
It can indicate a very deep coin (at the maximum 'fringe' range) by an extremely subtle threshold tone shift. If you're not listening for it, you won't notice it.
You'll want to practice lifting the coil over a buried good target to hear that extremely subtle shift.
Once you've heard it, you'll know what to listen for...to get the deep ones.

Since you're operating in a non-motion mode, you can increase sensitivity a little more without falsing...non-motion doesn't 'false' like motion mode.

Have fun,
mike

 

[bootyhoundpa]

That is amazing how you got that coin seized to the nail... so many people would have missed that one...great conversation piece...congrats...

 

[sube]

Great explanation trojdor I see I'm not alone at this a. If you ground minerals aren't TOO bad...just hold the coil over some clean ground...either directly on the ground or a couple inches above it...BEFORE you switch to pinpoint mode.
This will ensure that you can still clearly hear the threshold tone. (More about that later...)

When I noise cancel with coil over clean ground this is when I put it into pinpoint lock

(Only move the coil back and forth enough to see where the cursor wants to jump/paint)

Very important keeps the screen a lot cleaner also you won't be picking up adjacent targets

(Since you're operating in a non-motion mode, you can increase sensitivity a little more without falsing...non-motion doesn't 'false' like motion mode.)



I would like to add that the 6 inch coil is the coil of choice here but the stock coil well work also in a target rich area the screen on the detector will fill very quickly using the stock coil it well be painting targets you just went over while your trying to see what the next signal is, the 6 being smaller well let you paint more targets before you have to reset the screen. But the screen can be clean with a couple clicks so it's quick to do. The other advantage of the 6 is nails that are above the target to either side or front to back will kill the signal from reaching the good target so a smaller coil will get between these better than a larger coil

The coin I found fused to the nail did not give audio when I sweep it north and south which it almost always dose but in this case the nail is one honking piece of metal which killed the audio signal both ways a smaller nail would of gave audio when x .

 

[amberjack]

before I say more than thanks trojdor & Sube

I am going to put the 6" coil on and head out the back yard which is an iron pit of nails etc.. think someone had a nail convention out there, I have found a few old silvers out there and its now 99% clean of conductors higher than iron, been over it with every machine more than once.

I will do my best to follow instructions

sounds interesting and only one real way to experience this is to have a go !

thanks guys very much appreciate you taking the time to explain !!

see how I go must be a hider up there somewhere.

AJ

 

[Chris(SoCenWI)]

n/t

 

[amberjack]

that was interesting, netted no coins, but did get some experience, one thing I noticed was the iron would come in that 37 ish range but I couldn't build a big red blob on the screen, will have to try it out where there is a chance of coins, nothing left up there !!

will take some getting used I am sure but good idea none the less.

thanks!!

AJ

 

[trojdor]

that was interesting, netted no coins, but did get some experience, one thing I noticed was the iron would come in that 37 ish range but I couldn't build a big red blob on the screen, will have to try it out where there is a chance of coins, nothing left up there !!
will take some getting used I am sure but good idea none the less.

thanks!!
AJ

Yes, it's like using a completely different kind of detector for the first time.

One think you might want to verify is to press and hold the detect button (to open the Detect Screen Quick Menu) and verify you've enabled Target Trace Pinpoint.
If it's not enabled, that would explain your inability to "build a big red blob on the screen".

Don't forget there's two target trace options...Target Trace for normal hunting, and Target Trace Pinpoint for pinpointing.

I look forward to hearing about your first coin find amongst the trash...
Keep at it, and good luck!

mike

 

[amberjack]

thanks Mike

yes had/have Target Trace Pinpoint on, backyard is just devoid of non ferrous metal, guess instead of making a statement I needed ask a question, as all I was hitting was iron I was unable to build a red blob is this what you have seen using this method of detection?

so only non ferrous item are able to be blob built ?

which would make sense , but just so I know for future hunting where there is non ferrous targets.

thanks again!

AJ

 

[sube]

amberjack
No iron will build in the lower right corner and nonferrous will build on the 12 line .
As far as you seeing 12.37 to 12.40 these are iron falses or ground mineral hot spots or rust halos target trace sees these also target trace falses don't give audio .Now a audio false will give audio say a nail you get good audio when you go to pinpoint target trace ( sizing ) and try to build a target it won't build because it's not under the coil this is a nail false or other iron object . when you go to pinpoint the nail is falsing 4 inches away from where the good audio is coming from so you can't build a false because it's not under the coil.

One other thing if you have Lot's of iron and few nonferrous items in the ground you can run a lot longer without resetting the target trace because the 12 line will not have any targets but the iron in the right corner will be filling continuously and I don't reset till the 12 line gets cluttered .

The more you use it the easier it is this is a great way to hunt close where you can't swing like close to a tree where the roots sticking out prevent you from swinging or many small trees and brush .
Keep at it you will hit those nonferrous items going to make a video on this and iron falses going to take some time but should be done in a month . sube

 

[mrwilburino]

Would be nice if they could include an option to use a disc pattern in pinpoint.

 

[sube]

mrwiburina It's all metal but you still have the option to use disc if you hold the pinpoint sizing button while looking you can just release it to go to your disc pattern to check targets by audio then hold the button again and your back in pinpoint sizing . The point of using pinpoint sizing is to isolate the coin from the junk to know where it is so you can sweep it in your regular disc pattern it's a lot easier to sweep a know en target where it is in the ground sube