Treasurechic
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I would love to see 3 tone audio on Field mode. Is it a possibility that a software update could offer that?
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3 tone audio why not Field?
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Treasurechic
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I'm referring to the Simplex
The Nokta / Makro Impact, Kruzer and Anfibio models do offer other search modes that provide more than only a 3-Tone audio. They are more expensive and more featured models. Personally, I never used or enjoyed anything but a 2-Tone and 3-Tone Discriminate mode. My Nokta CoRe and Relic and Makro Racer 2 all feature a 3-Tone mode, and additionally they have a 2-Tone mode. They also have a Beach mode that can be adjusted for 1-Tone [size=small](no ferrous range accepted)[/size] or 2-Tone. The Relic and Racer 2 also have a slower-sweep and deeper-detecting 'Deep' mode which is also 2-Tone when ferrous is accepted. So ALL the Disc. modes on the CoRe, Racer, Relic and Racer 2 are adjustable for 1-Tone or 2-Tones with the exception of the 3-Tone mode which uses a 'processed' audio.
ALL of the 2-Tone Disc. modes can provide better 'depth-of-detection' than the 3-Tone mode on those models, and Why? Because the best use for a multi-tone audio, such as the processed 3-Tone, is when searching trashier sites, and for most typical 'Hobbyists' they are going to be hunting parks and playgrounds and picnic areas and all sorts of places, mostly associated with an urban environment, where they are going to be dealing with trash. Generally more modern trash, such as pull-tabs and pry-tabs, bottle caps, screw caps, discarded foil and other common unwanted junk. Also to note is that most of the commonly hit urban places have coins that are located relatively shallow, and with the trashier places, that masking effect will prevent achieving any useful depth anyway.
I use my CoRe and Relic and Racer 2 with their settings 'saved' to start-up in 3-Tone mode because, generally, I'll grab them to search very littered places. The racer 2 w/7" Concentric coil is in my urban Coin Hunting Team but I can use it for 'scouting' unknown areas as well. My CoRe keeps the small 'OOR' DD mounted and my Relic the small 5" DD is attached because they are my most-used units for hunting terribly-littered ghost towns, homesteads, RR depot and siding sites, stage stops, old encampment and fort sites, etc., where I especially have to work in dense nail and other ferrous debris. I can't get any depth due to the very dense amount of junk, so the 3-Tone often works well to help isolate some potential keepers mixed in with the ferrous trash.
But out on the fringes of the older sites where it is more open and there are fewer iron targets, or where the primary iron encountered is nails or cut wire, the 2-Tone mode handles the junk well and passes along a better, clearer audio response on non-ferrous targets than does the 3-Tone mode with the processed audio. I can also take advantage of the 2-Tone mode's improved depth-of-detection. The same holds true for mode selection when hunting a large city park or grassy school ground, or private yard, parking strip or other easements. That's the mode that also works better for other wide-open places such as a plowed field, pastureland, in the woods or on a beach, be it salt-water or fresh-water.
So, a processed audio 3-Tone mode makes the better pick for trashier sites, especially modern uses like near a picnic area and such, and is associated with hunting an urban Park like setting. Thus, the Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] offers a 3-Tone audio Park mode. But if you want to get better depth-of-detection in a more open and sparse-target environment, such as an open field or out in the middle of a park or school ground, or hit an inland or coastal beach, you can benefit from a 2-Tone audio in a deeper-seeking mode. The other models I referred to offer that in a 2-Tone or Beach or 'Deep' mode choice, and the keep-it-simple Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] provides that in either the Field or Beach mode choices.
We know that as the coil-to-target distance increases the amount of receive signal is going to be weaker, and we see that in the loss of better visual Target ID at depth with almost all detectors, even though we can still hear an audible report for the deeper targets. Well, that loss of receive signal strength doesn't only make it difficult to try and process a proper, functional Target ID, but it also makes it much more difficult to produce a 'proper' processed audio tone on a multi-tone [size=small](3 or more tones)[/size] Disc. mode. So, again, for hunting places to achieve a workable good audio on mid-depth to deeper targets, a 1-Tone or 2-Tone non-processed audio function is, by far, the better option.
The Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] removes the excess selections that might be on some higher-end models and keeps things very simple and very practical. Park for a typically shallower-target hunt in 3-Tone, or Field or Beach modes for those who are dealing with less trash, more open areas, and want to achieve improved depth, all using a very workable 1-Tone or 2-Tone Audio response.
If someone likes to have more Audio Tone Mode choices, they just need to spend a little more $$$ to get a higher-end, more-featured model. For me and my needs, I enjoy my Nokta / Makro models that are more basic and to-the-point so that I spend more Time out hunting and finding stuff. Less tinkering.
Monte.
ALL of the 2-Tone Disc. modes can provide better 'depth-of-detection' than the 3-Tone mode on those models, and Why? Because the best use for a multi-tone audio, such as the processed 3-Tone, is when searching trashier sites, and for most typical 'Hobbyists' they are going to be hunting parks and playgrounds and picnic areas and all sorts of places, mostly associated with an urban environment, where they are going to be dealing with trash. Generally more modern trash, such as pull-tabs and pry-tabs, bottle caps, screw caps, discarded foil and other common unwanted junk. Also to note is that most of the commonly hit urban places have coins that are located relatively shallow, and with the trashier places, that masking effect will prevent achieving any useful depth anyway.
I use my CoRe and Relic and Racer 2 with their settings 'saved' to start-up in 3-Tone mode because, generally, I'll grab them to search very littered places. The racer 2 w/7" Concentric coil is in my urban Coin Hunting Team but I can use it for 'scouting' unknown areas as well. My CoRe keeps the small 'OOR' DD mounted and my Relic the small 5" DD is attached because they are my most-used units for hunting terribly-littered ghost towns, homesteads, RR depot and siding sites, stage stops, old encampment and fort sites, etc., where I especially have to work in dense nail and other ferrous debris. I can't get any depth due to the very dense amount of junk, so the 3-Tone often works well to help isolate some potential keepers mixed in with the ferrous trash.
But out on the fringes of the older sites where it is more open and there are fewer iron targets, or where the primary iron encountered is nails or cut wire, the 2-Tone mode handles the junk well and passes along a better, clearer audio response on non-ferrous targets than does the 3-Tone mode with the processed audio. I can also take advantage of the 2-Tone mode's improved depth-of-detection. The same holds true for mode selection when hunting a large city park or grassy school ground, or private yard, parking strip or other easements. That's the mode that also works better for other wide-open places such as a plowed field, pastureland, in the woods or on a beach, be it salt-water or fresh-water.
So, a processed audio 3-Tone mode makes the better pick for trashier sites, especially modern uses like near a picnic area and such, and is associated with hunting an urban Park like setting. Thus, the Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] offers a 3-Tone audio Park mode. But if you want to get better depth-of-detection in a more open and sparse-target environment, such as an open field or out in the middle of a park or school ground, or hit an inland or coastal beach, you can benefit from a 2-Tone audio in a deeper-seeking mode. The other models I referred to offer that in a 2-Tone or Beach or 'Deep' mode choice, and the keep-it-simple Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] provides that in either the Field or Beach mode choices.
We know that as the coil-to-target distance increases the amount of receive signal is going to be weaker, and we see that in the loss of better visual Target ID at depth with almost all detectors, even though we can still hear an audible report for the deeper targets. Well, that loss of receive signal strength doesn't only make it difficult to try and process a proper, functional Target ID, but it also makes it much more difficult to produce a 'proper' processed audio tone on a multi-tone [size=small](3 or more tones)[/size] Disc. mode. So, again, for hunting places to achieve a workable good audio on mid-depth to deeper targets, a 1-Tone or 2-Tone non-processed audio function is, by far, the better option.
The Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] removes the excess selections that might be on some higher-end models and keeps things very simple and very practical. Park for a typically shallower-target hunt in 3-Tone, or Field or Beach modes for those who are dealing with less trash, more open areas, and want to achieve improved depth, all using a very workable 1-Tone or 2-Tone Audio response.
If someone likes to have more Audio Tone Mode choices, they just need to spend a little more $$$ to get a higher-end, more-featured model. For me and my needs, I enjoy my Nokta / Makro models that are more basic and to-the-point so that I spend more Time out hunting and finding stuff. Less tinkering.
Monte.
Treasurechic
Well-known member
Thanks Monte, it's not too big of a deal for me but I do like the sounds of the 3 tones. I always appreciate your explanation of things
... when hunting in a lot of trash. Sparse-target open areas, especially when iron nails are the only issue, and 2-Tone audio is tops!
I headed out the door earlier thinking I could get a short hunt in at the city park. I'm not waterproof like the Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] and it was a light snow instead of sprinkles. but it only put down a skiff of the white stuff. They changed the forecast for Friday from 40% snow and 36° for a high to 40% showers and a high of 48°. Not great but warmer is nice this time of year so hopefully I'll get out to get a start on 2020's Annual Coin Count Goal. I have a lot of very good detectors I enjoy, but this darn Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] is just 'fun' to use. Not that the others aren't, but there's something about this unit that just keeps grabbing my attention.
I hope you and others can get some detecting time in before a harsh winter sets in.
Monte
I headed out the door earlier thinking I could get a short hunt in at the city park. I'm not waterproof like the Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] and it was a light snow instead of sprinkles. but it only put down a skiff of the white stuff. They changed the forecast for Friday from 40% snow and 36° for a high to 40% showers and a high of 48°. Not great but warmer is nice this time of year so hopefully I'll get out to get a start on 2020's Annual Coin Count Goal. I have a lot of very good detectors I enjoy, but this darn Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] is just 'fun' to use. Not that the others aren't, but there's something about this unit that just keeps grabbing my attention.
I hope you and others can get some detecting time in before a harsh winter sets in.
Monte
Monte said:. I have a lot of very good detectors I enjoy, but this darn Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] is just 'fun' to use. Not that the others aren't, but there's something about this unit that just keeps grabbing my attention.
Monte
It all comes down to having fun! Just like you Monte I've used pretty much every detector out there and after all is said and done, I now only have fun detectors in my arsenal. ORX, Simplex+ and Minuteman.
Treasurechic
Well-known member
Can't wait to get a smaller coil when they are available as I'm sure the Simplex with a smaller coil will have me hitting some cellar holes iv thrown my arms up to. Unfortunately it is snowing, then sleet, then snow again here today in NH blaaa. Need another 50 degree day and heavy rain to clear the ground
So often I read posts like your, from folks "Back East" talking about the cellar holes you seek and search that I am sure is much the same as the ghost town adventures we enjoy "Out West." I just walked in from letting Miss Rikki go out and do her thing and the ground is lightly covered with the white stuff. It's cold, but going to warm up the 1st thru the 5th into the 40's but with rain showers. Then the forecasters say the colder wintry weather returns for most of the rest of January with snow or freezing rain on many days with lows in the single digits to teens and highs in the 20's for most of it.
Going to be a couple of months before we can get into our ghost towns or other old-use locations, and many of those have cellar holes as well. With any New Years surprises we'll have some smaller-size Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] search coils by then and we can "beak them in" with some around-town Coin Hunting just to be ready for a spring thaw and snow to be gone. I do hope the Nokta / Makro Coil Craftsmen are hard at work getting them ready for us!
Monte
Going to be a couple of months before we can get into our ghost towns or other old-use locations, and many of those have cellar holes as well. With any New Years surprises we'll have some smaller-size Simplex[sup][size=medium]+[/size][/sup] search coils by then and we can "beak them in" with some around-town Coin Hunting just to be ready for a spring thaw and snow to be gone. I do hope the Nokta / Makro Coil Craftsmen are hard at work getting them ready for us!
Monte
Treasurechic
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Brrrrr!
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woody
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That would be a very rare sight down here. (S. E. Ga.)