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1824 capped dime - would you hit it with some electrolysis??

Barry NY

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found this the other day. pictures don't do the detail justice. put it in the ultrasonic cleaner to get the dirt off and out of the crevices - some of the tarnish came off the back just from the ultrasonic bath. if deemed EF40 could be a $400 coin.

would you do some quick electrolysis or get it professionally cleaned?
 
Soak in Hydrogen Peroxide, from a few hours to a couple days. Clean coin with soap and water ea day. This cleaning does no damage to the coin.

Rick N. MI
 
Congratulations on the great find Barry. No matter which way you go, if you ever get it graded, it will come back as cleaned which most collectors will not like. If you are keeping it just for yourself and your heirs, it really does not matter which route to take. I have seen electrolysis work very well on cruddy coins and I have seen electrolysis do some damage as well, just be careful. I use the hot peroxide and soft toothbrush method and that works good enough for me.
 
"No matter which way you go, if you ever get it graded, it will come back as cleaned "

Larry, this would only be true, if Barry cleaned it in such a way as to leave evidence/traces that he did that. Contrarily, if he does it in such a way as to leave no trace, then ....... no ..... this is not going to be true. Because lets face it: a lot of the stuff we md'rs find, will get laughed off the numismatic market, d/t the "ground kiss", right? They'll be potentially de-valued, when the collector/buyer looks the black-grey crud. Conversely, yes, they'll be "de-valued" if the md'r cleans them in such a way as to leave them visibly and obviously cleaned as well. So there comes a point at which a person has nothing to loose, so long as he tries ways known to be non-evidential.

Do this Barry: practice on some common mercs or roosies which have similar discolored blotches. Try the hydrogen peroxide method like this: take a few tablespoons of hydrogen peroxide into a shot-glass. Put in the micro-wave for about 15 seconds (till boiling). Take the shot-glass out of the microwave and drop the coin in. You'll see the nasty stuff fizzing right off of there :) Take out, give it a *gentle* terry-towel persuasion, and repeat as necessary. You might also try a solution called Ezest.

BTW nice coin!!
 
Thanks for the tips on the peroxide.

Seems less "invasive" than the electrolysis - which usually works great but can do damage...

Do you change the peroxide each day?

I'm curious - how do they know it was cleaned versus sitting in grandma's jar all this time if you don't scratch it?
 
Barry, I would suspect that if cleaned with something like baking soda and water, it perhaps leaves microscopic scratches on the coin, or at least dulls off some sharp edges perhaps to indicate it's been cleaned. If I don't plan to sell a coin I clean it with a bit of baking soda and water rubbed between my fingers. Works great. If it's got a real stubborn stain on it then I whip out my home made electralysis machine (wall DC transformer using stainless steel hemos for the two electrodes and a glass of salt water). Cleaning with electralysis though is far more risky than other methods, because if you over do it you can actually start to stain the coin again, or if you over do it you can even pit a coin (usually copper or bronze coins are at risk for this, but perhaps silver too?).

I would try their peroxide method, and not baking soda or any form of polish, as they usually contain some kind of grit. You want to remove the tarnish but not via any abbrassive action.

And yes, once cleaned, then here's a tip I heard to fix it so somebody can't tell it's been cleaned (so long as you didn't polish it or leave micro swirls on it or scratches)- Set the sucker outside somewhere where it's subject to rain and weather. Keep an eye on it, and flip it over about once a week too so both sides are equally exposed to the elements. Don't stick it on any kind of metal surface where it might react with it. Instead, something inhert, like perhaps a glass patio table or a cinder block or something.

The way I look at it I think the idea of a coin being cleaned making it less valuable is insane. I don't want to look at a dirt old silver coin myself. Rarely have I seen one that I liked in that condition at a dealer. I prefer nice and shiney myself. But, if everybody has been brain washed into believing that cleaning destroys the value, then that's the way it is. So, if you can clean it, and the let nature outside age it a bit again, and nobody can tell it's been cleaned, then I don't see that myself as any form of falsehood. After all, they are examing the coin, and if there are indicators of a cleaned coin, then they'll see them, and if there are none present, then what harm is done?

Incidently, I cleaned a seated quarter in mint condition, only because I put two nasty dings in the side when I dug it (DOH!). I figured I'm cleaning this puppy, along with a silver 3 cent piece in mint condition too, because I had no plans to sell them anyway. That quarter was about a $1400 coin if I hadn't dinged it. Have no idea what it's worth now cleaned and dinged. The 3 cent piece was about a $200 to $350 or so coin if memory serves, but again I cleaned it with no intentions to sell. On the other hand, I dug a 1921 standing liberty in F-12 condition. It wasn't even stained but I had no intention of cleaning it anyway because it's really clean already, and it turns out it's about a $350 coin or so if memory serves, according to what I've seen them in that condition and that year on Ebay going for. Somewhere in the $350 to $450 range or so perhaps.

Let us know what you do with that coin, and show us what happens when done. I'd clean it the peroxide way, then age it outside a bit, and then have it graded and if it comes back cleaned then you knew what you were getting into, so no harm done. I couldn't imagine it being worth more in the above condition that it would be cleaned myself. Good luck...
 
Did you read what I typed out above? The hydrogen peroxide method is not "soaking", as you ask about it. You boil a little bit in a saucer (in the microwave for ~15 seconds), and drop your item in to it. Yes you can re-heat the same hydrogen peroxide a few times over. Not sure if it "looses potency" after repeated uses. It's so cheap though, it's effortless to re-heat new table-spoons full each time anyhow.
 
Thanks - I totally agree - I hate looking at them like this...yet you don't want to "over do it" on the cleanup either. I'll test the peroxide method out on another tarnished less interesting coin..

I've learned my lesson on over cleaning like everyone else...
 
I suppose you could try to fool the pros, but they are pretty sharp. I think it would be pretty easy for them to see if the natural patina has been cleaned off of a 190 year old coin no matter what method you use. :shrug:
 
Beautiful coin, I would check into having it done professionally, even though I us the peroxide method myself, but something that rareI would want it done right.
 
I found a seated 1853 dime at a local park that was so corroded I didn't realize it was even silver until I took a good look at it. Totally encrusted. Soaked it in lemon juice and salt for a number of days. Eventually, all the corrosion came off and I polished it with Creme of Tartar ( a powder, not a liquid) and warm water, by rubbing it between my fingers. Try it on some not so nice silver and see how it works. Used to collect Roman coins and used it to clean a totally encrusted silver coin a dealer gave me because he didn't want to mess with it. Worked on it, as well.

keep on diggin'

jimmyk in Missouri
 
I think:
It is most appreciated dirty and untouched, to this evil cleansed currency.
Great find! congratulations:thumbup:
 
I decided to not do anything to it after my buddy told me his cousin is in the coin grading business - his cousin told him to tell me "do nothing to it until I see it"...

He may recommend professional cleaning as long as he believes it is >$300 value - I'll clean it and grade it and slab it.

PS - I've never sold anything that I've found detecting. Although I'll admit I've used tumbled beach quarters for NYC meters or the occasional foray to a laundromat...
 
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