Now that my 250 has been 100% devoted to my waterproof "Lake Looter" I was thinking about another land machine. Of course you all know how I have bragged on the 250 for some time now. I have no problem buying another 250. But I was looking at the 1350. Now I have a few questions. 1. Do you guys mostly hip mount the battery pack? I'm asking because the best thing I like about the 250 is it's lack of weight. 2. Do you find the profiling helpful? 3.Or is it easier to size my target in the pinpoint mode? 4. Do you find the need for an arm strap? It looks like the arm cuff is pretty wide. 5. Is a 1350 just a 1250 with the added profiling? Thanks!
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JoeinMemphis
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I love my 1350!! I do not hip mount the battery pack, to me the wire is a bit short, It is one of those coiled phone cords. The profiling is definitely helpful, although you do get a shorter tone for a smaller target. No arm strap, it isn't that heavy unless you are using the 10X14 DD coil. Unfortunately I don't know anything about the 1250, sorry. HH Joe
I was looking at the 1350. I have a few questions.
1. Do you guys mostly hip mount the battery pack? I'm asking because the best thing I like about the 250 is it's lack of weight.
Never. I suppose some do - I don't. Honestly, I dont trust the connection with all that swinging and putting down to dig. This isnt a problem particular to the 1350, in case you wondered. It is endemic to all hip mounting situations.
Also, I dont like anything around my waist. I have to live with a finds pouch on some level, but that is about it. So belt mounting the battery pack is out IMHO.
If you want a featherweight detector, coupled with oodles of features, you are in for a shock - there aint many! The 250 has spoiled you on that score.
2. Do you find the profiling helpful?
Yes. I use it at some point in every hunt scenario. Under 6", I have come to trust it for probability. Is it the end all solution? No.
To be clear, it is just about as far as I think you need to go with such stuff.
WARNING: Pontification Alert!!
The following is my personal opinion.
ID and "trash-vs-treasure" features have limitations and frankly, are innacurate unless conditions are just right.
A large part of their being is based in the marketing side detectors. People are more techno-gadget dependent than ever and each maker tries to fuel that - and sell to it. For example, they all put a pulltab icon and sparkly ring icon together on their graphics displays, right?
That's because they know we bank on hope more than anything, and want our instruments to make that hope become reality. So they cater to that!
But, stop and think - unless you're John B. (Edmonton), how many tabs do you dig for each ring on land? 1,000s? More? Generally, the odds are not in your favor. Good choices in hunt sites and providence are more beneficial to your success than hope.
In summary, the more you believe absolutely in ID features...the more reasons you have to justify NOT recovering targets. Since our success depends wholely on being metal recovery specialists, and not merely detectorists, too many ID features may in turn lead to fewer recoveries. That's the paradox you must get around.
3.Or is it easier to size my target in the pinpoint mode?
It's helpful. Again, it is a useful feature of the instrument. I can tell you this - once you pinpoint with the 1350, you'll leave that 250 in its water box for good.
4. Do you find the need for an arm strap? It looks like the arm cuff is pretty wide.
Not me. One of the good things about the current generation of Garretts is that they are easy to use and well balanced. Arm straps are a pain in the posterior, except in the water, if you ask me. If any land detector requires the use of cuff straps, I'd consider tossing it.
5. Is a 1350 just a 1250 with the added profiling?
Yes. I've used both - and it is.
Beyond the 1350, you move to the GTI series with "Imaging" - what Garrett would have you believe is actual size determination. Thats more of that potentially innacurate "trash-versus-treasure" fluff I referred to above.
It also requires a second receive winding in the coil, making the GTI series coils proprietary to that series alone. The 1350, on the other hand, uses a time-based model that is dependent on sweep speed. As such, it is able to use any of the Garrett Crossfire coils.
If it helps, I like to refer to the 1350 as the "GTI Lite" variant. It really is and it may help you to think of it that way, too.
The one feature I wish it had was a true non-motion, all metal mode. You'll have to go to the ultra luxe GTI 2500 or CX series if you want that in a Garrett. Too bad.
Given these things, let me say that I think the 1350 is near perfect as such things go. It is one of the few midlevel m-d's I consider an arsenal standard.
Thanks!
Thank YOU, Kenny
1. Do you guys mostly hip mount the battery pack? I'm asking because the best thing I like about the 250 is it's lack of weight.
Never. I suppose some do - I don't. Honestly, I dont trust the connection with all that swinging and putting down to dig. This isnt a problem particular to the 1350, in case you wondered. It is endemic to all hip mounting situations.
Also, I dont like anything around my waist. I have to live with a finds pouch on some level, but that is about it. So belt mounting the battery pack is out IMHO.
If you want a featherweight detector, coupled with oodles of features, you are in for a shock - there aint many! The 250 has spoiled you on that score.
2. Do you find the profiling helpful?
Yes. I use it at some point in every hunt scenario. Under 6", I have come to trust it for probability. Is it the end all solution? No.
To be clear, it is just about as far as I think you need to go with such stuff.
WARNING: Pontification Alert!!
The following is my personal opinion.
ID and "trash-vs-treasure" features have limitations and frankly, are innacurate unless conditions are just right.
A large part of their being is based in the marketing side detectors. People are more techno-gadget dependent than ever and each maker tries to fuel that - and sell to it. For example, they all put a pulltab icon and sparkly ring icon together on their graphics displays, right?
That's because they know we bank on hope more than anything, and want our instruments to make that hope become reality. So they cater to that!
But, stop and think - unless you're John B. (Edmonton), how many tabs do you dig for each ring on land? 1,000s? More? Generally, the odds are not in your favor. Good choices in hunt sites and providence are more beneficial to your success than hope.
In summary, the more you believe absolutely in ID features...the more reasons you have to justify NOT recovering targets. Since our success depends wholely on being metal recovery specialists, and not merely detectorists, too many ID features may in turn lead to fewer recoveries. That's the paradox you must get around.
3.Or is it easier to size my target in the pinpoint mode?
It's helpful. Again, it is a useful feature of the instrument. I can tell you this - once you pinpoint with the 1350, you'll leave that 250 in its water box for good.
4. Do you find the need for an arm strap? It looks like the arm cuff is pretty wide.
Not me. One of the good things about the current generation of Garretts is that they are easy to use and well balanced. Arm straps are a pain in the posterior, except in the water, if you ask me. If any land detector requires the use of cuff straps, I'd consider tossing it.
5. Is a 1350 just a 1250 with the added profiling?
Yes. I've used both - and it is.
Beyond the 1350, you move to the GTI series with "Imaging" - what Garrett would have you believe is actual size determination. Thats more of that potentially innacurate "trash-versus-treasure" fluff I referred to above.
It also requires a second receive winding in the coil, making the GTI series coils proprietary to that series alone. The 1350, on the other hand, uses a time-based model that is dependent on sweep speed. As such, it is able to use any of the Garrett Crossfire coils.
If it helps, I like to refer to the 1350 as the "GTI Lite" variant. It really is and it may help you to think of it that way, too.
The one feature I wish it had was a true non-motion, all metal mode. You'll have to go to the ultra luxe GTI 2500 or CX series if you want that in a Garrett. Too bad.
Given these things, let me say that I think the 1350 is near perfect as such things go. It is one of the few midlevel m-d's I consider an arsenal standard.
Thanks!
Thank YOU, Kenny
Uncle Willy
New member
THe 1350 ain't that heavy really but one can mount the pack and knock off a pound. I never mount it. And I don't use a strap for the cuff but one can as the cuff is a bit wide ( I wish manufacturers would make adjustable cuffs as we all ain't gorillas). The profiling is extremely helpful and saves digging a lot of junk. The 1250/1350/1500 are all the exact same machine other than profiling and imaging.
Bill
Bill
Thanks for all the replys.
I too hate the arm strap. That's why I asked about the 1350's cradle. The 1350's 10 or so notches in the coin areas seems a little much to me. I'm thinking the weight and 12 notches of the 250 has suited me fine. But it never hurts to ask questions.
I too hate the arm strap. That's why I asked about the 1350's cradle. The 1350's 10 or so notches in the coin areas seems a little much to me. I'm thinking the weight and 12 notches of the 250 has suited me fine. But it never hurts to ask questions.
Mick in Dubbo
New member
Here in Oz, we have a couple of coins that fall in pull tab range. So I go after them. It seems that I get very lucky, because almost a third of them turn out to be coins.All my rings that I've found, have been in lawn. It seems that after you have dug a dozen or three of these targets, I'll figure out, whether they are worth going after or not.
Even if there not, they are great for practicing your pinpointing on, because if you can pinpoint a pull tab, then you can pinpoint anything with confidence.
You mentioned that once you have used the 1350 to pinpoint with, then you would use the Ace less often. Why is that?
I hear you on your comments about flash detectors. I bought an Explorer a couple of months back, but keep using the Ace. The Explorer has better discrimination, but due to the Ace's faster recovery speed and accurate pinpoint, I'm not finding any more coins with the Explorer than the Ace.
Which brings me to a point. I've been thinking about the 1350 and the 1500 as a possible high end machine, but is there really anything about these machines that would make them better than the Ace as a coin hunter? Call me a sucker for wanting better discrimination abilities on a machine, but do either of these machine give an edge over the Ace? Thanks.
P.S. that also includes things like audio advantages eta.
Mick Evans.
Even if there not, they are great for practicing your pinpointing on, because if you can pinpoint a pull tab, then you can pinpoint anything with confidence.You mentioned that once you have used the 1350 to pinpoint with, then you would use the Ace less often. Why is that?
I hear you on your comments about flash detectors. I bought an Explorer a couple of months back, but keep using the Ace. The Explorer has better discrimination, but due to the Ace's faster recovery speed and accurate pinpoint, I'm not finding any more coins with the Explorer than the Ace.
Which brings me to a point. I've been thinking about the 1350 and the 1500 as a possible high end machine, but is there really anything about these machines that would make them better than the Ace as a coin hunter? Call me a sucker for wanting better discrimination abilities on a machine, but do either of these machine give an edge over the Ace? Thanks.
P.S. that also includes things like audio advantages eta.
Mick Evans.
Mick,
I think the auto ground trac on the higher end units is really the only thing worth considering for me. Other than that in my soil the 250 will beep if it's there. But if I find a good deal on a 1250 or 1350 I might try it. But the 250 has spoiled me as for being so lite and powerful. Maybe Charles will stick auto trac on the next generation of 250's !!!! Wishful thinking I'm sure.
I think the auto ground trac on the higher end units is really the only thing worth considering for me. Other than that in my soil the 250 will beep if it's there. But if I find a good deal on a 1250 or 1350 I might try it. But the 250 has spoiled me as for being so lite and powerful. Maybe Charles will stick auto trac on the next generation of 250's !!!! Wishful thinking I'm sure.
It seems that after you have dug a dozen or three of these targets, I'll figure out, whether they are worth going after or not.
Thats true no matter WHAT detector you use.
... because if you can pinpoint a pull tab, then you can pinpoint anything with confidence.
Indeed.
You mentioned that once you have used the 1350 to pinpoint with, then you would use the Ace less often. Why is that?
It is more concise, less broad. There are more segments to determne coil centering, as well. And I just like the way the audio responds.
It's refined, whereas the Ace is basic. I'll say more on that shortly.
...The Explorer has better discrimination, but due to the Ace's faster recovery speed and accurate pinpoint, I'm not finding any more coins with the Explorer than the Ace.
Well, you cant find what isnt there, to start with. But you have given yourself away - fast response and good PP'ing are more important than the more intangible "better" disc. The 1350 offers these.
I've been thinking about the 1350 and the 1500 as a possible high end machine, but is there really anything about these machines that would make them better than the Ace as a coin hunter?
All the good things about the Ace 250 are still there...plus more. Look at it that way, if you like.
- They cover a bit more ground, yet even with the larger coil they are still good at target separation.
- They offer plenty of user defined features - audio controls and so on. You have to live with the thing for hours on end, so dont downplay these items. Being able to set it up the way you want is a boon.
- They will get a bit more depth and this matters on old sites.
- I feel they arent as prone to spurious signalling like the Ace, especially when you turn up the SENS on the 250.
- The 1350 uses any of the numerous Crossfire coils - the Ace does not, neither does the 1500.
Call me a sucker for wanting better discrimination abilities on a machine, but do either of these machine give an edge over the Ace?
All three of the upper end Garrett "GT" machines have a 24 segment DISC range. The Ace only has 12. They offer double the range, if you will. This might make the difference on those coins of yours.
There is also a SALT mode, for what thats worth.
Did you learn to drive in a Rolls Royce, Mick? If you are like most of us, you drove whatever you had - and were very pleased the day you moved up to a newer car.
The Ace is a good little unit and Charles Garrett did what he said he would do - pack as many features into a $200 dollar unit as was possible. There is a lot of hype on the little Ace and much of it stems from that. You DO get a lot, in a tidy package that is rugged and actually WORKS. No one yet has been able to pull that off.
Now, all hype aside, do the features on the Ace offer expanded abilitities and user features? Not really, no. To be honest, it's basic.
It acts basic and functions that way.
In 20 years at this little hobby, I have used a lot of detectors and I've own many different brands other than Garrett. Some were winners, some not quite so great.
NOTE: See what I had to say about the White's Beach Hunter ID here:
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?26,573594,573594#msg-573594
If I had to choose between the 250 and the 1350, the Ace would go. Sorry, but it doesn't get simpler than that in my world.
Thats true no matter WHAT detector you use.
... because if you can pinpoint a pull tab, then you can pinpoint anything with confidence.
Indeed.
You mentioned that once you have used the 1350 to pinpoint with, then you would use the Ace less often. Why is that?
It is more concise, less broad. There are more segments to determne coil centering, as well. And I just like the way the audio responds.
It's refined, whereas the Ace is basic. I'll say more on that shortly.
...The Explorer has better discrimination, but due to the Ace's faster recovery speed and accurate pinpoint, I'm not finding any more coins with the Explorer than the Ace.
Well, you cant find what isnt there, to start with. But you have given yourself away - fast response and good PP'ing are more important than the more intangible "better" disc. The 1350 offers these.
I've been thinking about the 1350 and the 1500 as a possible high end machine, but is there really anything about these machines that would make them better than the Ace as a coin hunter?
All the good things about the Ace 250 are still there...plus more. Look at it that way, if you like.
- They cover a bit more ground, yet even with the larger coil they are still good at target separation.
- They offer plenty of user defined features - audio controls and so on. You have to live with the thing for hours on end, so dont downplay these items. Being able to set it up the way you want is a boon.
- They will get a bit more depth and this matters on old sites.
- I feel they arent as prone to spurious signalling like the Ace, especially when you turn up the SENS on the 250.
- The 1350 uses any of the numerous Crossfire coils - the Ace does not, neither does the 1500.
Call me a sucker for wanting better discrimination abilities on a machine, but do either of these machine give an edge over the Ace?
All three of the upper end Garrett "GT" machines have a 24 segment DISC range. The Ace only has 12. They offer double the range, if you will. This might make the difference on those coins of yours.
There is also a SALT mode, for what thats worth.
Did you learn to drive in a Rolls Royce, Mick? If you are like most of us, you drove whatever you had - and were very pleased the day you moved up to a newer car.
The Ace is a good little unit and Charles Garrett did what he said he would do - pack as many features into a $200 dollar unit as was possible. There is a lot of hype on the little Ace and much of it stems from that. You DO get a lot, in a tidy package that is rugged and actually WORKS. No one yet has been able to pull that off.
Now, all hype aside, do the features on the Ace offer expanded abilitities and user features? Not really, no. To be honest, it's basic.
It acts basic and functions that way.
In 20 years at this little hobby, I have used a lot of detectors and I've own many different brands other than Garrett. Some were winners, some not quite so great.
NOTE: See what I had to say about the White's Beach Hunter ID here:
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?26,573594,573594#msg-573594
If I had to choose between the 250 and the 1350, the Ace would go. Sorry, but it doesn't get simpler than that in my world.
Uncle Willy
New member
Yeah Auto track and Scan Track are worth a bit plus DSP, last mode switch, power master, salt elimination, adjustable threshold. For a long time in the beginning Garrett didn't even advertise Auto Track and Scan Track until Ben Meyers at W&ET and myself asked why and mentioned that they were leaving out some very hot selling points.
Bill
Bill
Mick in Dubbo
New member
It has answered a lot of my questions. I spoke with the local dealer recently and he was also quite helpful, but is away at the moment. I sure would love to drop in on his shop, but it's about 1200kms away.
the 1350 sounds like a great machine.
Mick Evans.
the 1350 sounds like a great machine.
Mick Evans.
Mick in Dubbo
New member
n/t
Neil in West Jersey
New member
I posted a comparision last week between the ACE 250 and an older Garrett unit, the CXIII. The CXIII is similar in features to some of the more recent "feature rich" Garrett units on the market today.I think many of the issues are answered concerning weight and features.
Here is the link:
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?32,571303,571303#msg-571303
Here is the link:
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?32,571303,571303#msg-571303
Mick in Dubbo
New member
Actually, friends of ours work on a dairy farm! Dubbo has a population of 38000. the closest town to us with a population anywhere near that, is 160kms (100 miles) away. It limits the sort of hunting I like, but there are some historical spots I can hunt out of town, I haven't looked into that side of things too much as yet. Family commitments tend to keep me in town.
Mick Evans.
Mick Evans.
I scanned the 1350 manual on the Garrett site. But it's easier to ask here. Can the profiling be turned off? What happens if you hit the PP button quickly and release? Does the PP stay locked on? I would assume that since the 1350 has an eliptical coil it would PP the same as the 250? Has anyone weighed the 1350? Is there a back light feature? Does it have three tone ID? I know - I have a lot of questions. Thanks for the help.
[size=small]Can the profiling be turned off?
Yes. If you mean, "can you disable it?" the answer is no.
What happens if you hit the PP button quickly and release? Does the PP stay locked on?
Yes. The solution to that "non-problem" is simple - tap it again and turn it off. It's called the Edmonton Double Tap, a name I gave it in honor of old John B.
Some people gripe about the profiling's auto-engage function each time you pinpoint, too. I suspect these are the same people you've heard about - you know, the ones who complain about a free lunch. The same solution to this other "non-problem" applies here - tap it off when you finish profiling.
You can go one step further if you're up to it, learning the esoteric and highly refined "DavHut MindsEye Pinpoint Method." As the name implies, you use the coils hot spots and the good old circling "X" method of pinpointing your target to develop a "mindseye" picture of the target in the ground. With practice and enough devotion to The DavHut Way, you will rarely need to meddle with the PP button.
I would assume that since the 1350 has an eliptical coil it would PP the same as the 250?
Yes and no. The concepts are the same, but the 1350 is more concise and smooth. Much more defined, IMO - one of the complaints about the 250 has always been that the PP is sorta broad and hard to, well.. pinpoint. Not so the 1350.
Has anyone weighed the 1350?
No. Why would I want to?
Is there a back light feature?
Yes. I dont use it - when it gets dark, I go home to supper.
Does it have three tone ID?
Yes.
Low tone .......... iron - foil
Mid tone .......... foil to screwcaps
Belltone .......... coins and up[/size]
[size=x-small]* DISCLAIMER: All TID ranges are approximate.[/size]
Yes. If you mean, "can you disable it?" the answer is no.
What happens if you hit the PP button quickly and release? Does the PP stay locked on?
Yes. The solution to that "non-problem" is simple - tap it again and turn it off. It's called the Edmonton Double Tap, a name I gave it in honor of old John B.
Some people gripe about the profiling's auto-engage function each time you pinpoint, too. I suspect these are the same people you've heard about - you know, the ones who complain about a free lunch. The same solution to this other "non-problem" applies here - tap it off when you finish profiling.
You can go one step further if you're up to it, learning the esoteric and highly refined "DavHut MindsEye Pinpoint Method." As the name implies, you use the coils hot spots and the good old circling "X" method of pinpointing your target to develop a "mindseye" picture of the target in the ground. With practice and enough devotion to The DavHut Way, you will rarely need to meddle with the PP button.
I would assume that since the 1350 has an eliptical coil it would PP the same as the 250?
Yes and no. The concepts are the same, but the 1350 is more concise and smooth. Much more defined, IMO - one of the complaints about the 250 has always been that the PP is sorta broad and hard to, well.. pinpoint. Not so the 1350.
Has anyone weighed the 1350?
No. Why would I want to?
Is there a back light feature?
Yes. I dont use it - when it gets dark, I go home to supper.
Does it have three tone ID?
Yes.
Low tone .......... iron - foil
Mid tone .......... foil to screwcaps
Belltone .......... coins and up[/size]
[size=x-small]* DISCLAIMER: All TID ranges are approximate.[/size]
Mick in Dubbo
New member
Kenny. Both the 1350 and the 1500 weigh 1.9 kgs.
I know it's not like having a 1350 for hours to try but I used one for about 20 minutes. I already know you 1350 users will be saying that's not enough time. I used it on a copper cent,nickel, dime, quarter and 3 different tabs. The very 1st thing I noticed is the extra weight over the 250 - I know more stuff equals more weight. I then thought do I really need 11 or 12 notches in the coin range? Do I need 8 batteries when I'm used to 4? But on the other hand I see what you mean about the tones and pinpointing. Yes, very smooth and dead on. Also the ground track is a huge plus. I had read the manual as far as how to profile. I noticed that a nickel would go from small to medium. I couldn't get it to stay on small consistently. Also scrolling through the menu took a few seconds. The 250 is instant. I really believe since I hunt in moderate soil and I'm already used to the 250 then I'll just stick with the 250. Yes I wish the 250 had ground track and the smooth pinpointing of the 1350. But I guess the 250 has spoiled me some. Unless I find a cheap 1350!!!!!