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1350 trash separation test...

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I tried the dreaded "Square Nail Challenge" with my 1350 last Sunday night. I did so to see if all the small coil hoopla was deserved and if I really NEEDED to get one of them "silly little sniper coils".
I'm working from memory, as my notes are at home as I write this, but you'll get the gist of it. The results were logical but discomforting.
TEST TARGETS: 2 dug square nails, 1 silver dime
COIL: Stock PROElliptical
SEARCH MODE: Jewelry
SENSITIVITY: 7.5
CONTROL TESTS:
Silver Dime alone - clear response and HIGH TONE/BELLTONE in any direction.
Iron nails - no audio response, GTA cursor displayed in iron range
I placed the targets in the order shown below, on a piece of white paper, on the non-conductive slab floor of my house. This slab is concrete and does present some need for the detectors circuitry to compensate for it's presence, much as would happen in non-mineralized ground. These test conditions are known through experience and repeatable. Test results are as follows:
SINGLE NAIL test
1. Dime within 1" of single nail - NO SIGNAL in any direction.
2. Dime within 2" of single nail - NO SIGNAL ""
3. Dime 3" from single nail - HIGH TONE SIGNAL swinging coil across dime, moving towards the nail...until nail was well under coil - then NO SIGNAL
Moving from nail towards dime - NO SIGNAL
4. Dime 4" or more from nail: HIGH TONE SIGNAL in any direction, somewhat erratic on ID.
DOUBLE NAIL test
1. Dime centered 1" between nails - NO SIGNAL
2. Dime centered 2" between nails - NO SIGNAL
3. Dime centered 3" between nails - LOW RANGE signal, ID'd as nickle.
4. Dime centered 4" between nails - HIGH TONE in any direction but not solid lock on. See number 4 above.
5. > 4" between nails - HIGH TONE, good lock on when swinging across the targets. SWEEPING PARALLEL to the targets, ie, with all targets under the coil on each sweep I got NO SIGNAL RESPONSE <img src="/metal/html/frown.gif" border=0 width=15 height=15 alt=":(">
Summary:
While testing was "in the lab", so to speak, and certainly not exhaustive or all-inclusive, the results were nonetheless repeatable and telling. THE LARGER ELLIPTICAL COIL IS CLEARLY SUBJECT TO MASKING BY ADJACENT TRASH TARGETS, in this case a commonly encountered iron target. It is likely made worse if the targets have been in the ground for some time due to target decomposition and the "halo effect" caused by leaching.
Next time, I will give the same test to bottlecaps, foil and pulltab range targets in order to simulate "playground/park" conditions.
All of this so far bears out what Andy has said often enough, i.e., GET A SMALLER SNIPER COIL. His results and the fact that such coils have been developed over time by all the manufacturers only reinforce this suggestion. I hope this has been of some intertest to you readers, as I know I was enlightened by the results.
KEB
David,
Aiken, SC
 
This test helped me today, right away! I had about an hour to enjoy, so I went to the local park. This was once a housing project built in the late 40's-50's. It was bull-dozed in the 70's and the park built on the land. Where I was was is the current soccer field with its layer of topsoil and "Rhino Grass".
I got a signal, indicating 'cent-dime' at 5", with high tone/belltone. BUT, it was somewhat difficult to make a steady repeater and the allmetal pinpoint mode indicated other targets adjacent...these were not part of the discriminate envelope and appeared to be masking the good signal to some degree. Remembering all that testing, I dug the signal and found a 1956-D wheatie.
Big deal, right? RIGHT!! Read the conditions above again. That Wheatie came through AND I could identify the signs of the masking. I'll do the other testing this weekend and Ill make the process one I repeat every 90 days, whether I need it or not!
KEB
David
Aiken, SC
 
Thanks dahut. That is a great test and I'm going to have to try that same test with my various detectors and coils. Too often, we "think" we know what our equipment will do when spending a few minutes testing would tell us for sure. Makes me wonder what I may have left in the ground at old burned out homesites thinking I'd cleaned out everything but the nails. HB
 
Thanks dahut.
>>> Glad to contribute
That is a great test and I'm going to have to try that same test with my various detectors and coils. Too often, we "think" we know what our equipment will do when spending a few minutes testing would tell us for sure.
>>> Knowing your equipments RESPONSE to the targets you encounter is the most important thing - that is the new focus for me. From now on, my testing will include such tests as this one.
Makes me wonder what I may have left in the ground at old burned out homesites thinking I'd cleaned out everything but the nails. HB
>>> Se my revisit from today!!
KEB
David
Aiken SC
 
dahut, Outstanding post!! I have been pondering a sniper coil, and your test results lean me towards it more.
You know what would be cool? If a comparison test could be run. All things being equal, run the stock coil up against the sniper, and see if there is a difference.
I have recently acquired a 2500,(owned it for about a month now)and am still figuring it out. But, the season is quickly winding down here in upstate NY,(not for research)so my field time with this new unit will have to wait till spring. Nice job with that test...
 
Nice test. Would anyone out there report a similar test using one or more of the DD coils?
I'd be very interested in the supposed 'better' separation of an equivalent DD coil.
Thanks.
 
Just for the heck of it, last night I through a dime on the floor and put a square nail about 2 inches away. I swept the coil parallel to the nail, and nothing, not a peep. I then swept perpendicular to the nail and got a jumpy reading, but mostly hitting on nickel. Very interesting. Thanks Rich
 
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