Well, anyone that caught my post from yesterday that has since been deleted. big K called late yesterday and said they found my coil, it was delivered to the wrong person and address. She said it would be picked up yesterday and delivered to me today which it just was... Totaly different name & address, same city... The tracking number I was issued was incorrect.. The correct tracking number on the box indicates the coil was indeed delivered by Fedex as specified, overnight, by noon, Saturday delivery but to the wrong person... It is the right coil and works, headed out the door now for some testing.. Too late in the day to go very far.. will give a report later tonight ...wildherre
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13 incher update
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I deleted your post because the thread was turning very negative and I elected to wait for updates on your situation . Looks like an honest mistake all the way around.I got my Ultimate 13" coil last week and am loving it so far.Had been using the Banned 13" coil with great results for several months and feel this coil will match or exceed it performance wise with significantly less weight 
Ok, Im back .I dont know if it was clear in my post above or not but the big K put the wrong name and address on the shipping label.. Fedex delivererd it to the address on the label..
. First off its a good looking coil..I like the White, First detector was a Sovereign with a Coinsearch.
. The coil fits well on the shaft, not too tight, not too loose... Center mounted, stays in place well. Although I use a Sunray probe and wrap the cable around the lower shaft instead of running it inside like it was intended, I did try running it up through a lower shaft & it went right in with no problem unlike some aftermarket coils.. It did feel heavier than a Pro coil to me.. Went to 2 different spots that Ive cleaned out in the past where I always try new stuff to see if opens it up. Conditions are a little dry around here and are not the best for depth.. .At the first spot , The Explorer opened it up when they came out, the Pro Coil opened it up when they came out and the 6x8 opened it up again in the past. I was able to run the sensitivty at near maximum with no emi but quite a bit of nulling.. In auto +3 it would run at about 26.. I went back & forth between auto, manual 30 & manual 26. Dug a couple deep iffys that said iron in pinpoint and they were indeed deep iron....No new targets recovered.. will try again when we get some rain.. maybe Ive got em all..
At the second spot that has given up some Indians & Barbers in the past All have been very deep and recovered with a Sovereign with a WOT and Explorer & Explorer II with a pro coil... I got some emi when I turned the etac on, after a noise cancel I was able to run at about manual 24, auto + 3 was at about 22.. Emi at this location can be a problem with some detectors with larger coils.. The F75 & my Sovereign come to mind.. The Etrac actually ran nice & smooth .. I dug a few shallow 4-5" newer coins just to get a handle on where it pin points.. Checked a lot of deep signals but never found anything diggable. All in all I like it much better than the 10x12 .. I like how it detects downward and not outward .... I would say its acts more like a X-12 & Pro Coil..
Hopefully next week I can get back to a spot thats been producing well & do some back to back tests with a Pro coil & 10x12.... wildherre
. First off its a good looking coil..I like the White, First detector was a Sovereign with a Coinsearch.
. The coil fits well on the shaft, not too tight, not too loose... Center mounted, stays in place well. Although I use a Sunray probe and wrap the cable around the lower shaft instead of running it inside like it was intended, I did try running it up through a lower shaft & it went right in with no problem unlike some aftermarket coils.. It did feel heavier than a Pro coil to me.. Went to 2 different spots that Ive cleaned out in the past where I always try new stuff to see if opens it up. Conditions are a little dry around here and are not the best for depth.. .At the first spot , The Explorer opened it up when they came out, the Pro Coil opened it up when they came out and the 6x8 opened it up again in the past. I was able to run the sensitivty at near maximum with no emi but quite a bit of nulling.. In auto +3 it would run at about 26.. I went back & forth between auto, manual 30 & manual 26. Dug a couple deep iffys that said iron in pinpoint and they were indeed deep iron....No new targets recovered.. will try again when we get some rain.. maybe Ive got em all..At the second spot that has given up some Indians & Barbers in the past All have been very deep and recovered with a Sovereign with a WOT and Explorer & Explorer II with a pro coil... I got some emi when I turned the etac on, after a noise cancel I was able to run at about manual 24, auto + 3 was at about 22.. Emi at this location can be a problem with some detectors with larger coils.. The F75 & my Sovereign come to mind.. The Etrac actually ran nice & smooth .. I dug a few shallow 4-5" newer coins just to get a handle on where it pin points.. Checked a lot of deep signals but never found anything diggable. All in all I like it much better than the 10x12 .. I like how it detects downward and not outward .... I would say its acts more like a X-12 & Pro Coil..
Hopefully next week I can get back to a spot thats been producing well & do some back to back tests with a Pro coil & 10x12.... wildherre
wildherre------Thanks for the very informative & well written report on the 13" DD Ultimate.----You had a lot of good info in it that we have been wanting to learn about, very interesting.-----As you get some swing time in with that coil, please keep us informed as to how you feel the performance is on it in the field and compared to say the 11" Pro coil, 10X12 SEF & 12X13" Tornado.--------Thanks again, Del
It missed them because I got them with my Explorer II & Pro Coil last week.. Went back over the same turf with both the Explorer & Etrac with the 13, took about 4 hours........Turned up a key, a shotgun shell and 1 more wheatie(wasnt deep,just missed it before) and a lot more garbage than I normally dig, trying to produce something where there is nothing left. Most of the coins recovered on the previous hunt were in the 7" to 9" range with a few shallower and on edge or angle and about half had iron in the hole or near by.. Site had been hunted but not by a Minelab..
After a couple hours of hunting with the Etrac and 13 and finding no good deep signals to make back to back tests, I buried a quarter at 9-10 inches to do some testing.. Dirt was good Illnois black dirt with some clay, nicely moisted from an overnight shower to perfect digging & depth moisture level.. I should have went deeper or used a dime but went with it for some testing... The plan was to lower the sensitivity until it disappeared .. The Etrac would detect it with near perfet ID in all directions down to 18, The 10X 12 Sef 17 & the 13" (Great White as I have named it) down to 15.. I retested everything again on the Explorer II with near identical results..
Comments
The Great White does make deep signal sound & Id better but it also makes iron falses sound good and lock on pretty well at 11-12 40-48,, The falsing seems to be worse on the Etrac than the Explorer 2. (Smart Find Screen on Explorer vs Digital on Etrac) I did lower the gain on both machines to help this but feel I may have not went low enough.Normally use 27 on the Etrac & 8 or 9 on the Explorer II. I lowered the Explorer II to 7 and the Etrac to 24 but now feel I should have went to 21 on the Etrac with the Great White.. I will test this next time out..
Weight wise , the Great White is quite noticeably lighter than the 10X12 and slightly heavier feeling than the Pro Coil.. I do have a X-1 probe with the probe mounted on the center shaft so it all kind of adds up to being pretty heavy after a few hours.. kind of the staw & camel type thing..
Summary..
For most of the Park type areas I hunt, the Pro Coil is still king, just a more enjoyable coil to use.. The park that I did this test at is much less trashy that most parks I hunt.. At most of my sites a anything larger than a Pro Coil would not be feasable.. The Great White is a good choice if you need a little extra depth & coverage at the expense of a lot more time anaylizing and digging iffy iron signals.. As I said above, lowering the gain further and a little more seat time along with all of the other new users suggenions that will come will surely improve the overall Great White experience... The next time I got back to this place I will be using the 6X8 and the 6" Excelerator to see what the Big Boys left behind.... Oh, and if you give the Great White a good coat of Behold, most of the dirt wont stick to that pretty surface ..wildherre
After a couple hours of hunting with the Etrac and 13 and finding no good deep signals to make back to back tests, I buried a quarter at 9-10 inches to do some testing.. Dirt was good Illnois black dirt with some clay, nicely moisted from an overnight shower to perfect digging & depth moisture level.. I should have went deeper or used a dime but went with it for some testing... The plan was to lower the sensitivity until it disappeared .. The Etrac would detect it with near perfet ID in all directions down to 18, The 10X 12 Sef 17 & the 13" (Great White as I have named it) down to 15.. I retested everything again on the Explorer II with near identical results..
Comments
The Great White does make deep signal sound & Id better but it also makes iron falses sound good and lock on pretty well at 11-12 40-48,, The falsing seems to be worse on the Etrac than the Explorer 2. (Smart Find Screen on Explorer vs Digital on Etrac) I did lower the gain on both machines to help this but feel I may have not went low enough.Normally use 27 on the Etrac & 8 or 9 on the Explorer II. I lowered the Explorer II to 7 and the Etrac to 24 but now feel I should have went to 21 on the Etrac with the Great White.. I will test this next time out..
Weight wise , the Great White is quite noticeably lighter than the 10X12 and slightly heavier feeling than the Pro Coil.. I do have a X-1 probe with the probe mounted on the center shaft so it all kind of adds up to being pretty heavy after a few hours.. kind of the staw & camel type thing..
Summary..
For most of the Park type areas I hunt, the Pro Coil is still king, just a more enjoyable coil to use.. The park that I did this test at is much less trashy that most parks I hunt.. At most of my sites a anything larger than a Pro Coil would not be feasable.. The Great White is a good choice if you need a little extra depth & coverage at the expense of a lot more time anaylizing and digging iffy iron signals.. As I said above, lowering the gain further and a little more seat time along with all of the other new users suggenions that will come will surely improve the overall Great White experience... The next time I got back to this place I will be using the 6X8 and the 6" Excelerator to see what the Big Boys left behind.... Oh, and if you give the Great White a good coat of Behold, most of the dirt wont stick to that pretty surface ..
wildherre