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11" coil v3.2 Air Test Results...then and now!

C

CZconnoisseur

Active member
For those interested, I have provided air test data from when I first purchased the Deus to earlier this week when I reloaded the software. Test methods and settings are explained in footnotes of the documents. I didn't run the Deus "Wide Open" to get maximum depth for every coin, rather I set the programs up to where I would have them while hunting regularly.

Three main things to keep in mind:

1. If you are hunting relics - expect much deeper maximum depths since I had Reactivity at 2 and 3
2. In the real world - I get about 20-25% depth reduction with my soil - so a quarter that air tests at 12" I wouldn't expect to hit beyond 9.5 to 10" unless I lowered reactivity and/or silencer
3. Try reloading 3.2 and see what you get! :beers:
 
That is amazing the differences those spread sheets prove. Amazing,. I need to figure out how to reload 3.2 for tomorrows hunt!

Thank you for gathering and taking the time to enter information onto a spread sheet and then share it with us.
 
what do you mean that you "reloaded" the 3.2? did you already have it on the Deus and decide to re-install it or were you in 2.0 and then upgraded to 3.2?
Thanks
 
if one were to reload the 3.2 update would i lose all my custom programs and have to rebuild them again?
too bad there isn't a computer program like the CTX3030 has where you can make programs and save them on the computer and then download them to the CTX rather then trying to make them on the CTX. Maybe someday XP will do that for us.
 
Interesting that a reload of 3.2 update improves depth.
Did XP improve the original 3.2 update??
Anybody reload with similar results?
Why would you reload the update anyway without knowing it would improve performance?
 
This has been said before and Andy (I think) and/or XP said they have not done anything to 3.2 or someone posted that someplace, but CZ shows different. Very Interesting.

I do hear that we are due an update soon, so myself I will wait, that and I am lazy...lol all that re programming.



Jim
 
This is indeed very interesting and perplexing at the same time. It does make one wonder if there were slight tweaks from earlier version of 3.2 by the XP design Team without calling it a newer version? I know that XP has been saying V4.0 is due out sometime around September or at least that's what I have read on some of the forums.

It's really hard for me to understand reloading the same program produces the results CZ obtained. I am an electronics technician by trade and have worked with Robotics systems and programming extensively in the Biomedical field and in the Pharmaceutical field. If I were to reload a program on one of those systems it wouldn't make it run better unless..., it would have been for a reason that a portion of the originally loaded program was compromised electrically, electrostatic ally or because of repeat command conflicts.

Maybe through the XP download process some very minor "bugs"(data glitches) are created that don't manifest themselves until a period of run-time expires? Weird!!but in a happy way as seen by CZ!:detecting:
 
I reloaded 3.2 again last night - TWICE - to see if there was any variance for some reason. Still get the same results as last week's reload. Basic 1 program air tests very close to my 12khz program, but the settings are almost the same with 12khz and Reactivity 2.

Will be getting out tonight for more testing!
 
I am going to ask a stupid question. CZ, I don't think it states anywhere about having the coil away from metal when updating. I don't think it matters, but does it???? And have you talked to anyone at XP to confirm any additional info, like maybe this is possible?? I'm not doubting you. But could it be EMI variances causing the "thought to be better" air test results???
Has Andy ever commented on this????
 
just speculating but maybe the version number evolves, something like 3.2xx and the last 2 numbers do slowly change with minor bug fixes/enhancements but are simply truncated with the 'current' down-loadable version....always showing as 3.2....

I was a firmware engineer for several silicon valley companies (computers) and things like this are certainly not beyond the range of possibility....
 
Took it out last night for a spin and used 4 khz for the entire hunt. It ran so smoothly and hit hard on small, deep targets. Pulled a couple of Memorials at 9-10" - no VDI for these signals but the audio was dead on and clear-pitched enough that I knew it was going to be a copper penny/dime. Last signal for last night was a 10" deep ringtab complete with beavertail that sounded like silver - why I'm not sure but 4 khz always had trouble hitting deep low conductors - but not anymore!

I had sensitivity at 85 and could have gone MUCH higher - such smooth, silent operation for the entire hunt! Surface coins almost sounded "too big" but I am so used to Reactivity 3's "shorter" audio this is something I will have to keep in mind...

Pulled a couple of jean rivets at 6" deep - these are about 1/4" across and it's hard to believe 4 khz is hitting this type of stuff so deep. Also pulled some random aluminum chunks at 8-9" which sounded like nickels...these are about 1/2" across. If I can get jean rivets at this depth then a gold ring should be a piece of cake! Just have to get the coil over it...:rolleyes:

I need to get some video (in the daytime LOL) and show you guys the difference...I thought it was all in my head or maybe was just getting better with the machine but 9-10" coins were more difficult to hit just 2-3 weeks ago in Reactivity 2, before the latest reload. The video will show all!

To be honest 12khz has LOST a little sensitivity compared to 4,8, and 18 khz but in the big picture all frequencies are close to one another in terms of sensitivity and performance. I am very happy with the Deus and don't really care if there has/hasn't been any untold 3.2 minor changes - to me it is a free upgrade and the proof is in the depth of items recovered...at least for me.

Happy Hunting!
 
This issue resurfaces periodically and rumors persist that XP revises the software code posted under the V3.2 download periodically yet does not change the number; i.e., V3.3, V3.4, V3.5, etc.

There can be issues with an individual unit where something does corrupt the software much the way your computer does but as Alain himself has said, the factory does not have the time or resources to continually tweak code and repost it without identifying it as such. When V3.0 was released, it was not long before V3.1 and then V3.2 came out to address specific issues. Since then, the focus has been on the new software - started with V3.3 which I have used and then the decision was to roll it all into V4.0 to take advantage of the new coil as well.

The Deus is but a piece of what the company produces and there is development underway not only on current units but new equipment as well so to expect the engineers to be tweaking V3.2 which is tested and locked down is not a realistic expectation. For those in the computer programming / IT field, do you think any software company would make changes to a version without revising the number so one never knows who is using what?

The numbers show there was a difference but a number of factors can come into play . . . . . conditions when testing, more experience with the unit, a corrupted file in the unit . . . . but rest assured, the V3.2 you had is the same V3.2 that you downloaded this week. It may work differently for one of the reasons listed or any one of a dozen others but the software is unchanged.

The last time this thread appeared, people were reloading the software every few weeks to ensure they had the latest version and feedback from XP in France was more humorous than serious - they could not understand why people would reload software that was unchanged especially if their units were operating properly.

There is no new code available via download . . . . so use it only if you have an issue or feel the unit is not functioning properly as you will lose any custom settings.

Andy
 
I could very well have had slightly corrupted software - when I first got the Deus I noticed that the depth wasn't much different than using a CZ5. Not sure where I read of reloading software, but in any case my coil undoubtedly performs better now than when I first got it. Haven't seen other people who have noticed similar results after reloading 3.2 - so the "slightly corrupted file" theory may hold water for me

Regardless, I am more than pleased with how it performs, and recent deep coin finds have only add to my satisfaction! Can't wait to see what's next!
 
This is great motivation to reload the software...if nothing else, it'll definitely refresh any data corruption if it exists! Thanks for posting a benchmark for all of us to compare with :thumbup:
 
"........started with V3.3 which I have used and then the decision was to roll it all into V4.0 to take advantage of the new coil as well."


New Coil??? I hope it is a smaller coil for my high mineralized ground I hunt! :detecting:
 
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