10x5 elliptical or 11x8 RSD on Vaquero ?

[synthnut]

Hi guys ,
I've been out of detecting for a bit , but just recently bought a Vaquero that has a Widescan 5.75 on it for tot lots and such ....Nice coil , but I need a larger coil for the beach ( dry sand ) and basically general detecting in parks, schools , etc .....I saw some vid's on the 11 x 8 RSD coil and it looked like it separated really good, and had a very fast recovery speed .... There's not to much info on the 10 x 5 elliptical coil .....I was wondering if anyone has used both and can give me the skinny on both coils ? ....If not maybe give me the run down on either coil ....I'm looking for good separation and depth ...My understanding is the 11x8 is a pretty light weight coil also , which makes me lean toward it , but I don't want to rule out the 10x5 elliptical coil if it will go just as deep , and seperate just as well .... Thanks in advance and happy hunting !!.....Jim

 

[Frank in NH]

go with the 11 X 8'' RSD excellent coil.

 

[Dave0]

11x8 for sure.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

If a choice between the 2 I guess the popular vote is the 11x8. It has alot of plusses. I have the 10x5 coil also but haven't worked with it much. It's my favorite shape coil on my other Turkish machines. Covers 10" of ground, but separates like a 5. Not as deep as the 11x8 either. But again I have them both for the different things they do.
If it's a choice between one or the other, I'd go with the 11x8 because you already have the 5.75 if you need separation.

 

[Mega]

My Trident11 Extreme which is the UK version of the Vaquero but on steroids came with the 11x8 coil and if i am honest the jury is still out about this coil,i much prefer a small NEL Sharpshooter coil instead or even the smaller NEL Snake coil for real trashy sites.But for its size its very lightweight the stock coil,just not 100% sure it performs all that well on some of my permissions.

Mainly use this detector for either really trashy roman sites or getting in between the stubble row when the crops come off,although it was brand new it will or never was going too be may main detector,more of a site specific use machine.

 

[synthnut]

Thanks for the replies guys ....What kind of depth can I expect from the 11x8 RSD on various coins ...I know it's a vague question with soil conditions and such .....Just looking for ballpark situations ....

 

[Welgund]

In my soil in Southwest Colorado that is really bad 3 to 4 bar on the FE meter of the F75, I have gotten silver dimes at 7 to 8 in with the 8 x 11 rsd. I got a buffalo at every bit of 10 in. With the Vaq and this coil. It is deep.

 

[synthnut]

Welgund,
Thanks for the info ....Doesn't sound too bad for the soil conditions that you have to contend with .....

I was pretty impressed with the recovery speed of the 11 x 8 RSD ..... Just wondering , are there any other coils that are somewhat light weight that will be a better choice for what I'm looking to do ? Basically what everyone wants ...A light coil that is larger to cover more ground with good separation and depth ..... As I said earlier , I have the 5.75 Widescan coil for surgical duties .....Thanks again ....Jim

 

[WV62]

Thanks for the replies guys ....What kind of depth can I expect from the 11x8 RSD on various coins ...I know it's a vague question with soil conditions and such .....Just looking for ballpark situations ....

Air test on Vaquero with the 11x8 is getting 9.5" on a silver dime and 10" on a silver quarter.

Ron in WV

 

[synthnut]

I'm thinking that I can't do too badly with the 11x8 RSD .....Thanks for the info guys ....Jim

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Let's face it.... If any of you are as suck with this hobby as I am, whichever you choose you'll end up with the other. Haha
But hopefully it works and you fill us in on which you picked, and how it's working out!!

 

[REVIER]

Just something to consider if you do a lot of hunting in very trashy parks like I do.
In pop top infested parks I had no problems dealing with these hated things using my standard 9x8" concentric but when I got the 10x12" DD coil hunting in sites like this became problematic.
There are probably techniques that many use to deal with this type of thing, I know rimming works but that entails continually turning down the disc knob plus other ways might too but I never got real efficient at any of them and it all takes longer than my patience allows so I usually just dug them.
At first I was more of a dig it all kind of hunter but over the years that changed and I became much more choosy about what kinds of signals I wanted to spend my time and energy going after.
As such heavily infested parks were not much fun for me using DD's on my Vaq.
When I decided to get a sniper coil I made sure it was a concentric and it also was surprisingly deep and did very well for me in all kinds of situations so if I knew or suspected I was going to be dealing with these things I made sure I had a concentric mounted because using that type of coil 95-98% of these were a non issue...they just disced out or sounded wrong.

Also the Vaq is deep no matter what coil you have onboard.
Regarding the beach my very first gold ring I ever found was with my Vaq, in disc, using the standard concentric and this thing was tiny...and almost a foot deep in the dry sand.
Not less than 10" anyway...and a nice, solid signal.
Didn't have a scale at the time but I doubt that this thing weighed much more than a couple of grams.

I use both DD's and concentrics and have them for most of my detectors and I have found depending on site conditions and trash content my coil choice can make a big difference in whether I have a good time hunting or a frustrating one.

 

[Sonnyd]

I only have the one coil for my Black Vaquero, the 11x8.... I Love it... but you really have to LOVE to dig, LOL. It really does go deep.....

 

[synthnut]

Thanks again guys ...Much appreciated ....Jim

 

[synthnut]

I was all set to purchase the 11x8 RSD coil for my Vaquero ......UNTIL .....I saw the nail board test on this coil ... I don't think I've seen a worse coil on a Tesoro doing the nail board test ..... If this is what it's like on a nail board test , how good can this coil be in any kind of trash ? ...... Granted , your now going to use a big coil like this in a park , but if you're on a beach , black sand and other trash near your target could surely affect whether or not you even hear a good target or not ....??????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0THg5MgyI0&t=77s

I have to laugh when this guy narrates the video ....saying that it sounds pretty good ....What is he hearing that I'm not ? ......

 

[pinenut]

I was all set to purchase the 11x8 RSD coil for my Vaquero ......UNTIL .....I saw the nail board test on this coil ... I don't think I've seen a worse coil on a Tesoro doing the nail board test ..... If this is what it's like on a nail board test , how good can this coil be in any kind of trash ? ...... Granted , your now going to use a big coil like this in a park , but if you're on a beach , black sand and other trash near your target could surely affect whether or not you even hear a good target or not ....??????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0THg5MgyI0&t=77s

I have to laugh when this guy narrates the video ....saying that it sounds pretty good ....What is he hearing that I'm not ? ......

With pretty much any Tesoro, nailboard tests are best passed with the small concentrics. DD's like the iron too much, even on Tesoros that do their best in small iron.
Nails and iron/steel bottlecaps? Use the 5.75 concentric, not the Widescan. Save the Widescans for either when ground minerals are very high, or when targets are few and you want to cover more area. I've never used the 10x5 so can't comment on it. I do occasionally run the 11x8 on both my 4 and 5 pin Tesoros, when targets are few and hot rocks abound. It's a nice coil; fairly light and sensitive, with good depth, especially on the 4 pins. I imagine that the 10x5 isn't going to be very deep on the Vaquero, as I see a big difference in depth between the two different 5.75 coils on my Vaquero...the concentric being a couple inches deeper.

 

[synthnut]

Pinenut,
Thanks for the reply .....I bought my Vaquero used and got it with a 5.75 Widescan on it ......I was pretty surprised how deep it goes , but have always read more threads on the concentric coil ..... Now I'm gonna have to get a 5.75 concentric to cure my thoughts on the two coils !!...LOL !!...... I really like the fact that the concentric is more surgical and seems like it can pull good targets out of trash easier .....

Perhaps I can still get away with the 11x8 for the beach as the beaches I hunt are not TOTALLY trashed out .....Most area's are pretty good with not a ton of trash ...... Are there any deep seeking coils that you would recommend for the beach that will go deeper and will be still light enough to swing all day ? ..... Sand is a lot easier than dirt to dig , so depth is the main concern here ..... but if I use the coil double duty and run it on dirt also, this would also be something to keep in mind ...Thanks again for your input .....Jim

 

[pinenut]

Jim, the only coil I've used on my Vaquero at the beach (dry sand) was the 5.75 Widescan, as that was what I had on my Vaquero at the time. Bottle caps and bigger nails are a problem with any Widescan I've used - caps don't disc out until you get to about where tabs also do, sometimes close to where zincs do!
For good depth and area coverage at the beach (in dry sand), I'd want to try the 11x8, but only if trash isn't bad...and you'll have to live with those bottle caps and nails. I haven't been to the beach with my Vaquero for a while now. Next time I do dry beach sand with my Vaquero, I'll take my11x8, keep disc low and just dig it all.
Have you tried the 9x8 concentric in dry sand? That should have decent depth and good discrimination, but it won't cover as well as the 11x8. I haven't tried Tesoro's 12x10 coils (neither Widescan nor concentric) which I imagine get great depth and coverage, but I'd guess that they're not nice to swing for long.
I think the 11x8 is probably the best compromise between depth, coverage and light weight. It's just not for heavy trash.

 

[synthnut]

As I said earler , the coil that came with my Vaquero used was the 5.75 Widescan .....That's the only coil I have for now .....I wonder what the 10 x 12 SEF coil would do on the Vaquero ? ...... It seems to be a pretty good coil on every other detector ...I'm building a Minelab Explorer SE for saltwater use ....I just got the 10 x 12 SEF for that detector ..... It's not done yet so I'm not sure how it will do, however it has good reports from other folks using it ...... Not sure how the same coil would do on the Tesoro ...????.....The price is right ....Jim

 

[pinenut]

It's still a DD coil so you have the same issues as with Tesoro's DD coils. If your're used to only the little 5.75 Widescan though, putting a concentric on it will pleasantly surprise you with improvements in disc and precise pinpointing.
I don't know how well the SEF coil will do, but if less $ than Tesoro's coils and not heavy, I'd be tempted to try one.