10X14 mono VS 8"mono and standard double D

[Cupajo]

I'm thinking of buying a 10X14 Mono to see if I can improve my success rate locally where finds are getting rare. Deeper may be better.

I am still finding a few targets with the 8" mono, but have given up on the standard double D as being too hard to pinpoint in the water. Will the larger mono still find those tiny objects I've found with the other two coils?

Huntmaster ivanll from Australia has shared his view on these coils and I'm gratefull. It would be interesting to know how others have done using these coils both on the beach and /or in the salt water.

C'mon fellow hunters, help an oldtimer out here--money's scarce and I don't want to spend it on a coil that will not do the job!!!!!!!

Many Thanks All,


Cupajo

 

[Cupajo]

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Went to the coast yesterday to try out my new 10 x 14 mono and to compare it to the 10 x 14 DD; The results suprised me.
The mono is lighter and I was able to swing it for 5 hours without much trouble, stopping only to dig or to have a drink of water.
The first suprise was that both coils had the same sensativity and depth on ring and coin size targets; Second: Both coils ground balanced equally well in the wet and dry sand, the mono was slightly noisy in the shallow water ( two foot). Re ground balancing settled it down quite well. I didn't stay in the water very long as it was a bit chilly.
Third: the mono was getting better depth on large deep targets, (Drink cans) at a rough guess about 10% better.
The mono pinpointed slightly better than the DD. I have not found an eliptical coil that pinpoints as accuratly as an equivilent sized round DD or mono.
After 5 hours and checking almost all signals with both coils and recovering a painfully large number of bobby pins and screw caps, one spoon, cigarette lighter and a few Aussie coins, I was ready to quit. When I checked each target with the DD I left the mono attached to the stem and connected the DD to the control box, keeping the detector behind me on the sand I hand held the DD and re checked each target, this was not fun. When I got home I did some in air bench checks between both coils and it seemed clear that the mono was getting around 10% better depth than than the DD on targets that presented a surface area of greater than 9 square inches to the face of the coils which I think validated the resulting signals that I got on a couple of drink cans (aluminium) that were a bit more than 2 feet deep (about 2 coil lengths down) The mono gave significantly stronger signal on both cans (LO/HI).

From the way the mono performed I think it will be my main beach coil for the simple reasons that it pin points better than the DD. It ground balances well in those conditions. It is significantly lighter and has equally as good sensativity as the DD on ring and coin size targets, which means that for me it is the best coil for the type of detecting I am doing at the moment. The DD will be used in the gold fields where mineralisation is extreme. On the other hand, because the mono can get more depth on large targets than the DD and it also copes with very high mineralisation, then the big mono is more likely to find that large elusive big deep nugget?? Just imagine what an 18 inch mono would do??!!
Adrian SS

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Wil



Joined: 30 Mar 2008
Posts: 29
Location: British Columbia, Canada
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: 8" mono

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SO-----if the 10 x 14" mono deals with "very high" mineralization (but you say not "extreme") and pinpoints well, would the smaller 8" mono do the same, and therefore be the ideal 'nugget hunter'?

The standard DD coil doesn't pinpoint worth a damn and and is a real arm killer.

Best regards to all.....Wil

 

[Cupajo]

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[Cupajo]

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Thank You Gentlemen for your replys!!! They answered my questions perfectly!!! I've shared them with fellow hunters on the INFINIUM Class Forum and I hope that is OK with you.

Regards and HH,

Cupajo

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Adrian SS



Joined: 15 Jan 2008
Posts: 109
Location: Canberra Australia
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: 8 inch mono n nuggts

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Will,
I have not tried the big mono on extreme iron mineralisation, but judging by the way it handled the salt and a couple of slabs of iron stone that I have at home I can see no reason why the 8 inch would not be a good a nugget coil for 0.1 gm and up. An interesting thing I noticed between my 10 x 14 DD/mono and my 5 x 10 DD is that the big DD and mono was better on nuggets from 2 gm and up than the 5 x10; To be precise, the 5 x 10 started loosing to the big coils at the 1.5gm mark by about 16%; This was a bit suprising to me; So at what size nuggets the 8 inch mono would start loosing to the big DD or mono I cannot say because I do not have an 8 inch mono,and in theory the 8 inch mono should get better depth than the 5 x 10 DD but for what size nuggets this advantage would begin to take effect I don't have a clue.

The thing about the eliptical coils is that they can be pushed through long grass, tussocks and around rocks easier than round coils and the DDs have a hot spot at the toe and heel of the coil which is very handy when trying to pinpoint small targets. On the other hand, round coils mono or DD have the best pinpointing ability, so if you are a parks n playground coin shooter then round coils are the only way to go.
Adrian SS

 

[Cupajo]

Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: 8" mono coil

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Thanks Adrian-we really appreciate your advise
and experience.

Are any of you other guys using the 8" mono for "nugget shooting"?
If so, how well does it work? Where does it pinpoint on the coil?

HH to all......Wil

 

[Cupajo]

nll



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 245
Location: Cairns Qld Au
Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject:

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Yes I for one use the 8" mono for "nugget shooting". (Plenty of pictures on the Garrett Treasure Hunting page, just below.)

It have worked well on all the different ground conditions it has been exposed to.

Pinpointing is at the edge or at the center, depending on target size, target depth and coil sweep speed.
Same as with the 14x10'" mono.

ivanll

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ivanll



Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 245
Location: Cairns Qld Au
Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 9:40 am Post subject:

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Ty for the PM Wil.
Yes the 8" Garrett Mono is an excellent coil.

ivanll

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erikk



Joined: 25 Feb 2008
Posts: 32
Location: SW FL
Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject:

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I use my LS strickly in the water and I want to cover as much area as possible while I am hunting . I agree that the mono coil will go a bit deeper but unlike a DD as you get deeper your area of coverage gets smaller so at max depth you have a very small detection point as opposed to the full depth along the whole hot strip of the DD and I get all the depth I want to deal with
I use a BIG scoop so pinpointing is not an issue for me as i can pretty much get the target detected with the 10 x 14 DD on the second or 3rd scoop depending on depth of target.
I have a 8 in mono and have used it but its lack of coverage convinced me to change back to the 10 x 14 DD
BTW I just got my LS back from Garrett as it was acting up (they replaced the on/off/GB switch and a resistor and now it runs very smooth even here in the salty Gulf and in the surf I can usually run with no disc and threshold of about 3 .02

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[ivanll]

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[bearkat4160]

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[ivanll]

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[Cupajo]

Gentlemen,

My only reason for transferring your post has been to share your extensive knowledge with fellow Infinium owners who also appreciate the information. I must apologize Sirs for any ill will generated by my doing so.

I also must plead ignorance of protocol regarding such things and will not do it in the future without express permission!!!

Thoroughly Embarrassed,

Cupajo

 

[ivanll]

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[Cupajo]

Hello Fellow Hunter,

Thank you Sir, for sharing your knowledge with those of us less experienced with the Infinium.

I among many others appreciate your contributions.

Regards and Best Wishes,

Cupajo

 

[ncpaul]

[size=medium]New guy question.
[size=medium][/size]Will the 10x14 coil work on a ace 250?[/size]

 

[Cupajo]

My knee-jerk response is no, but check with Garrett to find out what the options are.

GL&HH,

Cupajo

 

[drayegon]

No the coils wont work across the items. Don't worry to much I offered to try to help out some of the folks by making a list of things that work and those that do not work for the Infinium. I was going to do it as a guide of items for Infiniums and gold hunting and anything else that folks could think of. I offered to take the time and effort to put it together and keep it up dated. Then I told them I could put the guide on my personal page of Ebay they all went through the roof. Some body got their head up their arse and figured because I was going to put it on Ebay I must have figured out how to make money on it. To bad none of the idiots that went ballistic bothered to look or find out what and where those guide are on Ebay. YOu see there was absolutely no way I could have even made a dime doing it. The only thing was It did not cost me anything to put it there. the site is always open for all to see. Funny isn't it you try to help folks do more and have more and be better. Then what happens they come racing around yelling and screaming that you are hurting there little egos by not being kind to them. That and you would not kiss it and make it feel better.

Such is life I guess those that cry over spilled milk might wait to see if it is milk or just rain.

73
dray

 

[diggindirt]

This is a very informative post from last year!!!

cupajo, I was wondering about your recent thoughts on the 14" mono as you've had much more time to use and test it since this topic was posted.

I'm still hearing good things about this coil as per depth, sensitivity to small gold and chains, and quiet operation in the water. Do you hear any difference in the tones to desirable and junk targets over the stock coil?

I'm still thinking about this one as I want max coverage in the wet and surf. Another question is what's your favorite settings when using this coil along with sweep speed?


Thanks and HH!!!

 

[Cupajo]

Hi diggin,

Nice to hear from you Friend!

In the beginning of my post (which was sent to the Infinium Prospector Forum) I mentioned that I was considering buying one and wanted to know more about it.

AdrianSS replied that he had been using one and liked it.

I haven't tried it yet myself, but still may one day.

The replies were to my post were so interesting that I tranferred them to the Infinium Classroom without considering that not everyone shared my feelings about helping fellow fellow hunters learn and got into some stuff for messing with other peoples replies.

It was sheer ignorance of protocall on my part, but the results were worthwhile.

GL&HH Friend,

CJ

 

[diggindirt]

Cupajo, It's always nice to hear from you!!!

Thanks!!!

 

[ivanll]

Hi Cupajo.
The Infinium LS is said to be made for Australian conditions, units purchased here have a sticker with some writing on, located in the battery compartment as assurance from the Importer/Distributor
In regards to Aust. conditions just to mention two.
One is our electrical power grid supply which is different to that in USA, hence the level of interferences from such sources is also different.
Another Australian condition is location, which severely hamper direct contact with Garret's service department.
When I post on the Aust. GIPN (Garrett Infinium Prospector Network) where by the way it's possible to add, remove or change a post if needed, except when a post gets Locked by the administrator, I do so with our condition in mind and I expect readers from other countries to make allowances for this, just like one would if one was to travel to another country in person.
When a post gets copied from a forum in one country to a forum in another country the original post might no longer hold true due to different conditions and one will not be able to see changes or add on to the post.
In order to be help-full one could point to where the info is available, it would also give people a choice to go there if they are interested.

Example:

I enjoy reading your posts.

GL&HH Friend.

ivanll

 

[Cupajo]

Thanks again Ivan for your patience with my ignorance of posting protocol.

You have noticed I'm sure that I haven't made that mistake again!

I understand what you are suggesting as regards referring to the point of origin of information and will make every attempt to do so in the future.

We fellow hunters are looking to learn as much as we can to become better at treasure hunting.

When one wants to learn one must go to the most knowledgeable source of information.

Few hunters "out there" have as much experience to share as you Friend!

Keep up the good work and happy hunting to you too Sir,

CJ