as the thread title reads this was posted a few hours ago by Steve Herschbach on Detector Prospector (And I Agree 1000% With What Steve Had To Say)

I have been thinking this way ever since the Legend was announced to us a few years ago and now with this New Vortex it has gotten even worse, even though it has been going on even longer, I seen the same thing when I purchased my AT Pro back in 2009 or 2010

any ways here is Steve Herschbach's post on Detector Prospector's Forum

The Trolls Are Winning?​

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By Steve Herschbach
2 hours ago in Metal Detector Advice & Comparisons: Posted 2 hours ago


When the internet first got going with the early metal detector forums in the late 90s and early 2000s, it was a different place. Basically a community of like minded people helping each other out and sharing fun finds, etc. As social media has advanced however things have taken a darker turn. There now exists a class of eyeball seeker that caters to people’s less desirable side, getting attention by attacking anyone and everything. Attacking things is now equated with being a truth teller, since you are saying things most people will not say. The problem is truth often has nothing to do with it. It’s just pushing people’s buttons to engage eyeballs more often than not. Controversy sells.
The downside is happening quietly. There are many very knowledgeable people in this industry that would be happy to engage and share information. Or would be, were it not for the trolls and negative tone so prevalent now. Say anything nice and you get attacked as a shill or worse. Or have to argue with people who think their uneducated opinions somehow are real knowledge. A lot of good people I know who used to post or who currently post are going away. This includes many of the most knowledgeable people in the industry.
People say a person should just have a thicker skin, ignore the trolls, etc. Yet why should a decent person who knows a lot have to endure hateful comments just to try and share and help people? Might it not be easier to not comment at all, leave the field entirely, and let the trolls win? I’m here to tell you it’s happening, has been happening for some time now.
The Garrett Vortex really brings this top of mind for me. I somewhat grudgingly accepted one to provide some feedback and thoughts to Garrett. Years ago I would have jumped on the chance to have early information to share with people. Now, I honestly don’t want to get involved. The hatred and vitriol being dumped on this machine before it has even shipped has reached new lows. Now, many would say that Garrett only has themselves to blame, with the huge drip tease buildup fueling people’s expectations to unrealistic heights. There is some truth in that. I think they would have been better served to say little and just quietly announce the detector when it was ready to ship. The attacks now are viscous enough however that blaming Garrett is blaming the victim to excuse the attackers.
Some people have even seized on the fact Garrett is still tweaking the machine as evidence of ill intent on Garrett’s part. News flash - every detector from every company I’ve worked with in the last 20 years was tweaked up until the day it shipped, and for a year or more after. Was Nokta ripping people off selling the original Legend and then updating it constantly ever since? Was the original shipping model not just an unfinished prototype? No, I’m not saying that, but that is the argument being put forth now about the Vortex. Some want to line up feature lists, and point out the Nokta Score has a longer list yet sells for less. Another news flash - not everyone wants a mile long set of adjustments, some people just want a detector that works well with minimal fuss. And gee, what about actually using something before saying it’s junk? Not today, not in the current environment.
I have no real reason for posting this I guess. Things will not change except to get worse. I sure do not want this thread to be people naming names and calling out anyone in particular. That’s not my goal - please don’t do it. I guess I’m just a little sad about it all is all, maybe looking to commiserate a little on the state of affairs. Not about specific people but just the overall decline in civility. It’s taken some of the fun I used to have getting a new detector away from me and I’m mourning that a little.

I’ve said it before and it again just because you have the new and most talked about machine is not guaranteed success.
The detector companies are really not giving people with any credibility in the field just YouTube views . A few the ass clowns I can’t stand watching two minutes of there videos I’m not the only one others have commented saying how annoying he / she is.

My success has come from working hard learning the machine real digging targets time .doing research.

having worked with technology and repairing that equipment I felt qualified to discuss the issues of end

Opps fat fingered my keyboard on the above post.
Having worked in the technology repair world until retirement I developed some opinions about advanced technology. The end user decides what they want to use. Often I discovered that the most advanced technology devices are not necessarily the best for everyone and often the advanced technology was sent back for repair when it was operator error. Requiring the end user to be able to program the device to the system it was attached with was a difficult task to accomplish when the user was only operating the device on occasion. Being retired a good number of years with the aging that would accompany this I prefer simpler devices. Texturing with a smart phone is much easier than the old flip phone was. Recently purchased a kids metal detector at a yard sale. Five dollars and I had to repair the catch that held the detector head. I tested it and was happy to discover that it could discriminate from silver and iron etc better than I expected. Pre school grandkids will be having fun with their grandpa I hope. I believe we have room for the turn on and go technology and the most advanced technology. Just my thinking out loud.

oldkoot said:

as the thread title reads this was posted a few hours ago by Steve Herschbach on Detector Prospector (And I Agree 1000% With What Steve Had To Say)

I have been thinking this way ever since the Legend was announced to us a few years ago and now with this New Vortex it has gotten even worse, even though it has been going on even longer, I seen the same thing when I purchased my AT Pro back in 2009 or 2010

any ways here is Steve Herschbach's post on Detector Prospector's Forum

The Trolls Are Winning?​

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By Steve Herschbach
2 hours ago in Metal Detector Advice & Comparisons: Posted 2 hours ago


When the internet first got going with the early metal detector forums in the late 90s and early 2000s, it was a different place. Basically a community of like minded people helping each other out and sharing fun finds, etc. As social media has advanced however things have taken a darker turn. There now exists a class of eyeball seeker that caters to people’s less desirable side, getting attention by attacking anyone and everything. Attacking things is now equated with being a truth teller, since you are saying things most people will not say. The problem is truth often has nothing to do with it. It’s just pushing people’s buttons to engage eyeballs more often than not. Controversy sells.
The downside is happening quietly. There are many very knowledgeable people in this industry that would be happy to engage and share information. Or would be, were it not for the trolls and negative tone so prevalent now. Say anything nice and you get attacked as a shill or worse. Or have to argue with people who think their uneducated opinions somehow are real knowledge. A lot of good people I know who used to post or who currently post are going away. This includes many of the most knowledgeable people in the industry.
People say a person should just have a thicker skin, ignore the trolls, etc. Yet why should a decent person who knows a lot have to endure hateful comments just to try and share and help people? Might it not be easier to not comment at all, leave the field entirely, and let the trolls win? I’m here to tell you it’s happening, has been happening for some time now.
The Garrett Vortex really brings this top of mind for me. I somewhat grudgingly accepted one to provide some feedback and thoughts to Garrett. Years ago I would have jumped on the chance to have early information to share with people. Now, I honestly don’t want to get involved. The hatred and vitriol being dumped on this machine before it has even shipped has reached new lows. Now, many would say that Garrett only has themselves to blame, with the huge drip tease buildup fueling people’s expectations to unrealistic heights. There is some truth in that. I think they would have been better served to say little and just quietly announce the detector when it was ready to ship. The attacks now are viscous enough however that blaming Garrett is blaming the victim to excuse the attackers.
Some people have even seized on the fact Garrett is still tweaking the machine as evidence of ill intent on Garrett’s part. News flash - every detector from every company I’ve worked with in the last 20 years was tweaked up until the day it shipped, and for a year or more after. Was Nokta ripping people off selling the original Legend and then updating it constantly ever since? Was the original shipping model not just an unfinished prototype? No, I’m not saying that, but that is the argument being put forth now about the Vortex. Some want to line up feature lists, and point out the Nokta Score has a longer list yet sells for less. Another news flash - not everyone wants a mile long set of adjustments, some people just want a detector that works well with minimal fuss. And gee, what about actually using something before saying it’s junk? Not today, not in the current environment.
I have no real reason for posting this I guess. Things will not change except to get worse. I sure do not want this thread to be people naming names and calling out anyone in particular. That’s not my goal - please don’t do it. I guess I’m just a little sad about it all is all, maybe looking to commiserate a little on the state of affairs. Not about specific people but just the overall decline in civility. It’s taken some of the fun I used to have getting a new detector away from me and I’m mourning that a little.

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I agree because I have seen the fun and pure enjoyment removed from this hobby.
If this has happened to detecting, I wonder if it’s the same for other hobbies.
Tony NJ

BigTony said:

I agree because I have seen the fun and pure enjoyment removed from this hobby.
If this has happened to detecting, I wonder if it’s the same for other hobbies.
Tony NJ

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I believe it has happened in all hobbies, and I agree 100% the fun has been removed and that is the reason I believe most of us that detect do what we do is to go out and have fun

I will use myself for this yes I have those so called higher tech detectors that have a ton of settings and features, I have been using those so called higher tech detectors for quite some time, what I noticed just this past couple of years is with those so called higher tech top of the line Whiz Bang detectors is I was no longer having fun doing what I loved to do which is metal detecting I found myself spending to much time trying to adjust those so called higher tech detectors to the ground I detect I spent more time adjusting things than I was detecting for things and that's what took the fun out of detecting for me.

I had never used a beep and dig detector in the years of detecting I had been doing, yes I had held a few in my hands just to look at them but had never used one to metal detect with other than my Axiom and the GM1000 for nugget detection, (which I have fun Doing) LOL

I got to thinking about this and decided you know what I am going to see if a Beep and Dig detector might be the answer to bringing back the fun for me so I made a trade that most would have called me stupid for doing, I had 3 Legends at that time I traded one of my Legends for a Beep and Dig detector, once I received that detector I took it out to one of the Locations I detect and set up what minimal settings I could do, and you guessed it I was having fun with a simple to use Beep and Dig there was no screen to watch a bunch of target IDs and a bunch of settings to have to try and figure out, that if set incorrectly could really mess up the performance of a detector, with the Beep and Dig I was just swinging and having fun again listening to the tones, I figured out, Right then and there that I really did not need to have a detector that had all those features and settings to mess with, I actually decided I was going to purchase a few more of these detectors that were Beep and Digs and see where it took me with the fun and you know what every time I take one of those so called high tech detectors out now and try to detect I find myself with in a few minutes taking it back to my vehicle and grabbing what most would consider to be a outdated detector, personally for me I could care less what others think about what I am using to detect with the Key for me is I am now back to having fun doing something that I love to do

Yes I have placed an order for this New Vortex VX9 and there is a couple of reasons that persuaded my decision in ordering the VX9, well maybe 3 things that helped in my decision in placing an order for a Vortex
#1 for me was the minimal amount of available settings that the Vortex VX9 comes with, #2 is I like the fact that rather than have to sell one detector to get to the next higher level of detector you can just pay a small fee and plug the same detector in and upgrade it (This actually should be #1 For me), and yes there is a #3 I like the fact that I will be supporting one of the last two American made Metal detector manufactures that still remains in business today.